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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 23/05/2019 07:34

Here’s the new thread for the BSD followers, plus those following the Fast800 plan. Everyone is welcome to join us. Here’s a quick recap!

The BSD/fast 800 is a low carb, Mediterranean style way of eating, with the primary aim of stabilising your insulin response when you eat. You achieve this by: eating fewer carbs, cutting out sugar and sweet tasting foods including most fruit, and by following a low calorie plan that reduces your visceral fat meaning that everything functions more effectively. Less insulin means less fat storage (in a nutshell, although more info can be found on this online). The diet was designed to reduce T2 diabetes symptoms (or even reverse it entirely) but can also be used for weightloss.

Eat:
Meats and fish
Oils
Eggs
Full fat dairy products
Nuts, seeds
Pulses/ beans
Veg that grows above ground
Limit fruit: apples, pears, berries- in moderation, with meals, with fats

Occasional alcoholic drinks allowed (spirits, red wine are preferable to beer, lager, etc)
Tea and coffee, herbal tea etc.
And water- drink lots of water!

Avoid
sugar, sweets, and ‘naturally occurring sugars’ such as fructose, maltose, honey, agave, puréed dates etc....

Potatoes of any variety
Pasta
Rice
Breakfast cereals (occasional steel cut oats are ok)
Breads/ flour based products

Exercise:
Michael Moseley recommends HIIT workouts to increase calorie burn and help to tone up, and recommends walking more (increasing your steps weekly until you hit around 10000 a day)

Mindfulness
MM also suggests a programme of mindfulness, meditation, practised for a few minutes each day.

How to follow the plan:
Fast800: follow the plan above, sticking to 800 calories every day for 2 weeks. Ideal to give your weightloss a real kick start, plus improve your insulin function and reduce your sugar cravings.
8 weeks BSD- 8 weeks, follow the guidelines above- 800 calories a day. You don’t need to count carbs grams because the diet is naturally self limiting.
BSD 5:2- for a more leisurely weightloss journey, or as maintenance, or once you’ve done an 8 week stint or 2 weeks of Fast800, you can play around with a combination of increased calorie count, ‘free eating’ and fasting days (800 cals) until you achieve your goals. Many of our long standing members now follow this approach.

You can stop 800 calorie days at any time once you achieve your goal. It’s advised to limit yourself to 12 weeks maximum at 800 calorie days, but you should get excellent results in 8 weeks. Depending on your weightloss goals, you can do further ‘rounds’ of either the 8 week BSD or the Fast800.

Some useful links:

Previous thread

Blood Sugar Diet and Fast800 thread 14 http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/fasting_diet/3532374-blood-sugar-diet-and-fast800-thread-14

Meal planning ideas thread
Blood sugar diet recipe thread and menu planner meal planning thread

<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=healthyeater.com/important-tool-weight-loss" target="_blank">TDEE calculator to calculate your daily calorie requirement

information about the ‘whoosh’ phenomenon

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 28/06/2019 16:38

Purple I have tried it, I quite liked it and I'm not a big fan of substitutes normally. I also have had a red lentil one made by Napolina which is very good, and was particularly nice as a cold tuna and mayo salad type thing. As lunches are so important but are also my most neglected area of my menu (salad, salad, salad, salad, salad) I must make a mental note to make a big batch to keep in the fridge for next week.
Good work on your wardrobe too- I love a good clear out and listing everything on eBay. I could do with doing it again as a lot of things that I kept because they fitted, I still don't wear because my tastes have changed since I was last slim!

We have a cracking charity shop near us so today I went for a rummage and got 4 tops, a dress, a Sunhat and a handbag, and a few bits for the kids with change from a £20 note. Amazing. If you're looking for jeans, or anything really, to tide you over while you're still losing weight, then it might be worth a look in your local ones. I got the charity shop big when I first started this and now I rarely buy anything in normal shops. I was looking for running out though, I suppose that's the only downside- you get what you're given!

I've enjoyed the glorious sunshine today and had a lovely garden catch up with my friend this afternoon. Salad lunch, dinner will be some sort of fish from my freezer or maybe calamari, and salad, and I'm toying with the idea of a nice cold G&T or dry white wine, although that doesn't really tally with my intentions to be alcohol free does it? Or my intention to get up at 6 tomorrow and do my long run before the sun gets too hot. May have to rewrite list of intentions to include alcohol and lie in

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Maccalenny · 28/06/2019 18:47

I love charity shops too Bear - always have, but love them more now I’m in smaller sizes, there is a lot more choice. I only really buy off eBay or from charity shops, with some basics from supermarkets. Definitely recommended when you need to replenish your wardrobe!

Maccalenny · 29/06/2019 05:49

Another slow week for me this week - 0.8lb down.....no particular reason that I can think of.
I’m planning a properly off-plan meal tonight to try to shake things up!

Start: 16st8.4
End of Month 1: 15st3.6 - 18.8lb lost
End of Month 2: 14st11.2 - 6.4lb lost
End of Month 3: 14st0.4 - 10.8lb lost
End of Month 4: 13st5.0 - 9.4lb lost
Month 5 week 2: 13st3.4 - 1.6lb lost

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Lndnmummy · 29/06/2019 06:06

Hi everyone. It’s been ages!! I’m having a hard time work wise (solc now involved) so have not managed to stay online. Weight wise I’m now 66.2 so that’s nearly 10kg lost. I’m very happy with that even though the stress has helped and I’m not at all sure it’s all down to my hard graft. Just wanted to drop by and say hello, will catch up properly over the next few days!

Maccalenny · 29/06/2019 09:44

Lndn lovely to ‘see’ you! Sorry things are tough at the moment but well done for the continued weight loss.

lasttimeround · 29/06/2019 19:36

Great haul bear. I've recently discovered charity shops too - filling the gap between my too large clothes and too small clothes. Also bought a beautiful 1960s shift mini. Gorgeous.

Im feeling the will return for another round. Holiday next week then I'm back at thus.l
Love the graph macca. You are making me jealous Ldn - i could've been 66 if I'd not had a break. But sorry about your stress, hope it's better soon

thenewaveragebear1983 · 30/06/2019 07:40

Morning all, great graph work macca

Yesterday went slightly off piste, had a few glasses of wine and some slightly more carby things than I'd really have liked at my nephew's birthday party, and then 2 glasses of red when I got home! Damnit alcohol weakening my resolve.

Finally out of my hormonal haze, and this week is usually my optimum weight loss week so I am really going to knuckle down and get on it. I want to break this cycle of snacking and grazing that I keep ending up in. I didn't plan a particularly exciting menu last week which probably did contribute, so today I will make time to sit and plan properly.

Today should be a good day, no plans or social events- so a salad lunch (or I might make a tuna /red lentil pasta/mayo thing) and dinner is roast chicken which we'll probably have with salad given the nice weather.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 30/06/2019 20:46

See my post above- then ignore me. I've eaten so much crap today, this whole weekend actually. I fully deserve to see a gain on the scales tomorrow and I need a kick up the bum please from you all to snap me out of this cycle of grazing on rubbish.

It's my birthday in just under 3 weeks, so plenty of time to get back to target and more importantly, to reset my appetite and break this cycle. I feel really out of control and it's not a nice feeling.

So: line drawn.
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PhoenixMama · 30/06/2019 22:47

My weekend has been awful too. Booze, cake, popcorn, sweets & this heat. Plus an awful period & stress with getting assignments done for uni. So that's another week written off. I need to get back on track and really focus. I know the next two weeks are going to be tough but I don't want any more gaining, I want losing so I can't have both eat crap & lose weight. Arrrggg. Hope I find some focus in the morning!

Birdsonginthetrees · 30/06/2019 23:04

I'm new to the thread, and to the Fast800, just read up on it today.

I'm thinking of giving it a go but am a bit nervous of committing to it, mainly because I think it'll be tough to do all the planning, shopping and cooking (DH does all our cooking). Then if I can get beyond that, there's the sticking to it to master!

Last year I lost weight after an illness and managed to maintain it for a while - I wore a bikini for the first time in years! This year that bikini looks awful.

My team at work are food obsessed and there's a lot of lunching out and unhealthy snacks brought in.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 01/07/2019 06:42

Welcome birdsonginthetrees.

Right, it's day one for me too. Coffee, (actually, I'm meeting a friend for breakfast but will just have another coffee as I want to fast til lunchtime), Tuna and red lentil pasta salad, chicken stir fry. 30 minutes hiit workout using my treadmill and weights. Lots of water. No snacking. No leftovers.

Weigh it, write it, eat it. Grin

I'm up 2lbs after my awful week, but that's nearly 6lbs above my actual lowest weight, so this has got to stop. I'd like to be back at 10.3 for my birthday. (You May remember at the beginning of June I did say I was going to be strict until then, then call final target- I have actually gained weight since I made that promise Blush)

Have a great day everyone!

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PhoenixMama · 01/07/2019 08:12

I'm starting over today too. Like the 'weigh it, write it, eat it' Bear - I'm going to chant that!

Ok, here goes! Good luck this week everyone!

GlitchStitch · 01/07/2019 09:15

Hi can I join please?

I've attempted this diet and low carbing over the last couple of years, managed to lose a bit of weight but never really stuck to it. I really need to do it this time as I'm now 11st 5lb at 5ft 1 which makes me obese, I also have a history of gestational diabetes plus one of my parents has type 2 so I worry about that too and I just feel that I need to sort myself out! First of the month seemed like a good time to start.

I hate eating breakfast but I'm on medication that I have to take in the morning with food so I've just forced down some hardboiled eggs, any tips for light and quick breakfast would be great.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 01/07/2019 18:15

Welcome glitchstitch

I've just made these, I've made them as lunches but you could adapt them for breakfasts if you don't fancy fish that early? They are 6 eggs, 200g smoked basa, 80g peas and 2 spring onions (divided over 12 muffins) -so 64 cals each.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 01/07/2019 20:54

Well I did not manage 800 cals today but in the interests of positivity I am not dwelling too long on that. Instead, I did remain 100% sugar free, dairy free and alcohol free; I did weigh every single thing before I ate it, and wrote it down; I did a good workout on my treadmill and got 16k steps done. I made mini egg muffins for my lunch tomorrow, and I'm feeling very optimistic.

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PhoenixMama · 02/07/2019 18:12

Well done @thenewaveragebear1983! I'm doing ok, lots out of my control still but not massive crashes off the face of the earth (she says whilst trying to decide if she will have a glass of rose or not!)

thenewaveragebear1983 · 02/07/2019 20:33

Closing the kitchen today on 1300 cals, but I did do a massive 27.5k steps (which includes a 13k run and a circuits class). My carbs were quite high (90g) as a result of a delicious lamb and lentil shepherds pie with swede mash on the top, but my macros come in at: C 28, P 34 and F 38 so that's a good enough balance for me.

Tomorrow, I'm not exercising as I'm expecting to be aching! I will have a nice salad with some protein for lunch, and dinner will be a Jamie Oliver chicken traybake with a coconut and ginger sauce.

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BuffaloCauliflower · 02/07/2019 21:04

Can I sneak back into the thread please! I lost 10lbs in 3 weeks earlier in the year before some challenging personal news threw me off course, I’ve stayed around that weight but going up and down by about 4/5lbs (my body clings to any calories it’s given so I can go up 5lbs in a weekend! Luckily sensible weekday eating has kept me even)

I go on holiday for a week a month from today, and I’ve got my first wedding dress fitting when I’m back 😬 I’d love to lose a stone by the 2nd of August which I KNOW is doable if I stick to this! Meal planning for tomorrow and have booked myself in for a Reformer Pilates class as well to get this kick started 💪🏻

thenewaveragebear1983 · 03/07/2019 06:56

Quick mid week weigh in tells me I'm 3.5lbs down since Monday which is great! I feel a lot less bloated now all that water retention has gone.

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PhoenixMama · 03/07/2019 08:11

I'm down 3lbs as well, 1 lb till I'm back to my lowest & 12lbs to my goal weight. My period is nearly over thank God because this has been a doozy.

GlitchStitch · 03/07/2019 09:05

Thanks, those egg things look great, will definitely try them! I'm determined to only weigh myself weekly as I'm normally a daily weigher and get disheartened and give up if I don't see results quickly enough. I'm also on my period (very heavy and on meds for them) and all I want is chocolate! Well done on the losses this week, it's motivating me to keep going.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 03/07/2019 09:28

Glitch check out our recipe thread, there's a link on the opening post of this thread. You can make those egg muffins with anything really- meat, cheese, herbs etc. They keep a couple of days in the fridge as well. Very versatile.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 03/07/2019 09:30

Oh, and I saw a recipe for some made with turkey mince, some eggs, herbs, etc, they were more solid than the mini quiches and they looked good too- must remember to test them out.

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Ohyesiam · 03/07/2019 12:41

Hello again everyone,
Well done on all the loses.

It would really help me to give an overview, I’ll try not to make it too long.. .

I’ve just officially finished 8 weeks, although I’m carrying on up to my wedding on 27 th( am working on maintenance plan for the summer, and intend to lose again in the autumn, but more of that later)

I’ve lost 2 stone 2.5 lbs!

I thought I needed to lose 5 stone to be lean, but as I’ve found an exercise I love ( TRX), I’m in much better shape than for years and maybe il look good in a swimsuit in another two stone.

I’m stuck at the moment though, and it’s between my periods, so technically my best weight loss time I have to remember it’s all been about whooshes for me, but you know that feeling when you are hanging out for a whoosh?

I possibly need to up my protein, but that’s hard as a vegetarian. I’m on it with 3 L of water daily.

But I wanted to list my most and least positive things about this WOE.

-I love it, my fave foods are salads, stirfrys and curry. All possible.

-eating out is tricky though.

  • From being an obese apple( that I was bloody good at hiding), I have become a normal shape.
So no more size 20 waist with 16 top and bottom, I ALMOST have a waist. But straight up and down is a massive positive. Still have much belly fat to lose, but man can I hold it in with my new TRXmuscles, and normal length tops hide it ok.

-I’ve e found a dress to get married in that i love and looks good on me. 8 weeks ago NOTHING looked good on me. I could post a pic of it? ( makes me feel shy thinking about it, but you are a lovely lot)

  • my breasts are heading south, there’s no denying it.
I am marring a man who would love me if I turned into a slug monster though, which is a lovely thought.

This thread, Bear and all you posters have really kept me going massive thanks.

I have been compulsively eating, binge eating, comfort eating since I was a child.
This doesn’t feel like a diet for a million reasons I could speculate on, but I think
It’s mostly that I can hold on to my sanity Without carbs pulling me around in all directions.
I have more space ( and less anxiety)in my head without all those food negotiations, and the free fall into food then guilt cycle.

But what I’m trying to say is that if I can do it, really anyone can.

Much love and positivity and strength to all of us on our food journeys x

Ohyesiam · 03/07/2019 12:49

Ps if I wasn’t marrying someone so lovely, I’d be stalking Michael Mosley and marrying him!

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