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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 36 - Fighting (& losing) the Battle of the Bulge? Eating too much junk? 5:2 is a healthy, sustainable way to achieve & maintain your goal weight. Join our friendly support group!

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BigChocFrenzy · 14/01/2014 15:27

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.
The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.
By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.
You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.
WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.
MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.
TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a TDEE calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.
NFD = Non fast day
NSV/LSV = Non scale victory/Lifestyle (change) victory
Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!
Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.
Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:
Other Threads
All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.
Tips and Links : Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!
Inspirational: eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.
Recipes: frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!
Exercise: bigchocfrenzy has an incredibly informative and helpful exercise and fitness thread for discussion and advice on combining 5:2 with an exercise regime.
Maintaining: If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.
Other links
This is a BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon - link to that programme here.
This Telegraph article comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.
This blog post gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.
This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.
A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")
Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this article appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI. (Though anecdotal evidence from these long-running threads may suggest otherwise…)
A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.
A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!
Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this way of life!

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RavenousRunner · 20/01/2014 14:57

Lunch torture - pupilmaster decided on Pizza Express, so I plowed mournfully through my (cold, tasteless) superfood salad with chicken while he ate every last crumb of his four cheese pizza. I would have been totally happy with my planned veg soup, which would have had 160 fewer calories than that bloody salad.

Oh well. All that superfood will make me super clever, right?

RavenousRunner · 20/01/2014 15:04

Toffee re your walking question - I'm not sure how much walking translates into weight loss, sadly. Certainly better health and not putting on more weight, but for me exercise that's not high intensity doesn't seem to make much of a difference. I trained for a marathon and lost almost nothing - no 5:2 back then, but I thought 40 miles a week would have some effect! Whereas I can see results quite quickly from running only maybe 15 miles a week but throwing in lots of intervals and hills.

There's a great app I use called Zombies, Run - I use it when running but have friends who use it for walking. It's sort of like a tv show in that there are different episodes to complete; the story alternates with your chosen music. You can turn on 'Zombie Chases', and a few times an episode it'll tell you zombies are after you. You need to increase your pace for some amount (maybe 25% for a minute?) to escape them. I find it really motivating as when they catch you there is horrible snarling! So a good way to mix up the intensity when walking - I need help like this as I am fundamentally very lazy and hate hard exercise.

clarinetV2 · 20/01/2014 15:05

mscnile I also really need to do some work, but you know what? I'm about to go off for a walk. The sun's just come out, I'm fully hydrated, so work will have to wait for half an hour. My strategy for this afternoon is to take it half an hour at a time I think! And if I'm having a walk for the next 30 minutes I can't be eating, can I? [plans route to avoid all food shops and cafes...] I'm sending nice warm vibes in your direction.

zedzedzed · 20/01/2014 15:08

Such restrain ravenous pizza abstention will be rewarded in heaven.

Well, toddler lunch is over...phew, never have congealed meatballs looked so delicious; even the baby's sludge was looking good.

But that's it, only 4hrs till nom-nom. Hope everyone else's still doing ok.

zedzedzed · 20/01/2014 15:09

*restraint

zedzedzed · 20/01/2014 15:12

Ha-ha...zombies. Think I could train my boy to just yell 'Zombies' at me sporadically?!

RavenousRunner · 20/01/2014 15:13

zzz As long as I don't reward myself this evening with a massive bowl of crisps in front of Breaking Bad I will be satisfied. Irksome though as on a NFD I would be feeling virtuous, whereas on a FD I'm annoyed at having fewer calories left for dinner.

Dotty342kids · 20/01/2014 15:15

The tummy growling was getting ridiculous here so just had a quorn mini egg thing which are about 80 cals. Will be ok till teatime now Smile

RavenousRunner · 20/01/2014 15:16

Other people who eat with family on FDs - how do you find it? I really struggle, I can be not very hungry but if I have to sit at the table for 30 minutes I end up eating. If I eat my small portion and then try to leave the table there is offense taken. DH and I are big fans of a family dinner where everyone shares their day, and I usually love it, but on FDs I keep wishing I could skip it and just have some All Bran before bed by myself. DH does try to make healthy things on FDs, but he will never have dinner without wine and that is REALLY hard to resist after a long day. Bah. Anti-social grump.

zedzedzed · 20/01/2014 15:29

Yeah, it's tricky, but if you were an alcoholic or and addict nobody would expect you to sit and watch others indulge. I think, just twice a week, it's ok to think of yourself for half an hour and abscond for a bath. Hopefully not with zombies in tow.
You may be ok with sitting and watching in a few years, till then you maybe need a bit of extra support and a free pass.

TalkinPeace · 20/01/2014 15:45

Family supper on a fast day ....
my kids are teenagers and they both do after school sports so I do them a big bowl of pasta with pesto and hot dogs and various veg and then fruit to follow
DH and I either have a massive pot of soup or beans on toast or spanish omelette
but al of our meals are about chatting on week nights so finishing before the kids has never been a big hassle.

TBH things like all bran are not good on a FD because they are highly processed with hidden salt and sugar
things involving huge amounts of vegetables are better for you and take ages to eat ...

clarinetV2 · 20/01/2014 15:48

Congratulations, zed on your resistance to congealed meatballs. Hope you've warmed up a bit on the school run, mscnile.

almostthereagain · 20/01/2014 16:02

Like your attitude clarinet I put off my walk to 'work' this am & it's since been overcast. ravenous we've just started the breaking bad marathon! I have to eat early, lots of water then a large mug of tea seems to put me off snacking. I do have to take lots of loo breaks though!
I have managed to fast since 6pm last night until 3pmish. Had a cold boiled egg, cottage cheeses & celery. Surprising how appealing such food can be when you're hungry! Veg soup later, feeling quite positive, don't know why I've been so rubbish for so long, must be reading all your posts that's done it (although got little else done!)

mscnile · 20/01/2014 16:11

grrrr DT1 has wound me up so much I accidentally ate cake. Never mind, if I don't eat anything else I'll be ok. If I do, well, tomorrow is another day.

Southeastdweller · 20/01/2014 16:32

So I had a biscuit this afternoon as well as coffee, a banana and skinny popcorn but leaving work now to run some errands then home for some soup so should come in about 450 cals. My lovely colleague bought some M&S potato rosti's for me that he's been raving to me about for weeks but they're going straight in the freezer as soon as I get in!

Not long now everyone (in the U.K!) until we can go and snuggle up in bed and dream about those goodies we can have tomorrow!

madhairday · 20/01/2014 16:40

On my 5th FD today, hoping I'll have lost on weigh in tomorrow.

Nearly caved in to chocolate then but then read this thread and got inspired again.

Going to make lentil spag bol for tea and eat mainly sauce with a little bit of pasta, can't seem to give up the carbs altogether on FDs but will keep it easily under 500 with small portion.

waves at fellow monday fasters :)

frenchfancy · 20/01/2014 16:41

Ravenous We try to all eat together where possible. On Fast days the kids often have "kid food" of the chicken nuggets or fish fingers variety, that I don't like anyway so it is not big deal. DD3 often has a big bowl of our veg chilli or curry as she likes it. I pile on the veg or the salads so I rarely finish before they do.

DH drinking wine would be another issue though. Doing 5:2 has cut down our drinking to just weekends, even though we used to be like your DH and have wine every night. I am sure cutting down the wine has helped both with weight loss and generally feeling better. Can you not suggest he does 2 nights with no wine? I'm pretty sure it shows a good example to the kids as well so they see that adults can have a nice meal without alcohol.

Dotty342kids · 20/01/2014 16:45

*ravenous" it's not too hard to make family meals of around 500 cals. Mine are usually based around chicken or fish and I'd just reduce my carb portion if having it with the family. As it is, it's usually DH and me as he works till late so kids eat first but can't imagine it'd be a problem to have a "version" of the same thing they have?

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 20/01/2014 16:52

Hope you have warmed up now mscnile.

I have inputted my planned dinner (roasted red peppers with feat cheese and coleslaw) and it comes in at 417 calories. I am doing the kids tea now and have put in an extra sprout so I can have one now. That is an extra 8 calories Grin.

curveballs · 20/01/2014 17:04

Had a disastrous afternoon work wise . How I haven't walked out I do not know, however it certainly stopped me thinking about food
Whether I manage to walk past all ten or so pubs without stopping in one for a drink given the state I am in is another matter. So angry Confused

Peplum41 · 20/01/2014 17:05

toffee dates soaking in tea, I think its going to be lovely

bread tell us about your homebrew stout, and Id appreciate some reminiscing about your Blackburn days

IHaveSeenMyHat · 20/01/2014 17:09

Hello everyone, need to join this thread!

My DD is 2.4 and I have yet to reach my pre-pregnancy weight. Tried plain old calorie counting with MFP for a few months, but trying to stick to 1200 cals a day was too soul destroying. So I started 5:2 and did pretty well (but struggled to accurately count calories on NFDs) and was 9lbs lighter, and my clothes were fitting better.

Then we were selling our house and the stress of it all made me fall off the wagon. This was September Blush. Fast forward to now and not only am I somehow fatter than I was on New Year's Day, but I'm back to ten stone which is very much an "aaaargh" point for me, and I'm short, so it's not good at all.

I have a stone to lose, and I need to get out of the habit of boredom eating and comfort eating and snacking in front of the telly in the evenings.

I have failed my last two attempts at a FD because I've been feeling under the weather - I was premenstrual on Thursday and absolutely full of cold today. Do you suspend the fasting if you're feeling crappy, or power on through?

I really need motivation, because clearly weight loss alone isn't enough!

RavenousRunner · 20/01/2014 17:10

frenchfancy The one thing I can be guaranteed to steal off the kids' plates is anything 'kid food'ish - fish fingers look out. The problem is that I'm not the one cooking; when I was I would do stir fry or something and only eat the veg and tofu. As DH does the cooking I have to just try to eat only a little bit. I can't manage no food til dinner, so usually only have about 250 calories left. I think it's the set piece meal as much as anything I'd like to avoid - sometimes I just get a bit tired of meals!

Re the wine - I know the health authorities say it's terrible for you to have wine with dinner every night, but we both come from families that did so, and the kids have four healthy grandparents with no weight problems. Oddly my sister has never drunk at all, married a teetotaller, and he turned out to be a secret alcoholic who eventually killed himself with whiskey some years after she left him. DH does drink less when I don't have any - maybe 1 glass rather than 2 or 3 - so I figure it's good for him. I don't think I could deal with his mood if he didn't relax a bit at the end of the day, frankly!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 20/01/2014 17:15

Thanks ravenous. Pre 5:2 I was doing a lot of exercise and lost nothing.

I wait until DH is home and we eat about 7. The kids can't wait until then and I don't want to eat at 5 but I try hard not to eat any of their stuff but today I purposely cooked an extra sprout so I could have that. I did something new for the kids' today and DS2 left one. Straight in the recycling. One extra cooked so I literally had one mouthful to taste as I hate waste but then I remembered and put the rest in the bin. 1/2NSV. I have had a couple of spoonful's of my coleslaw but I won't beat myself up about "snacking." On FD I find it dangerous when I have come in under 500 and then think I will just have X to bring it up and then it sets off the munchies.

clarinetV2 · 20/01/2014 17:23

Good thought, southeastdweller. Blessed oblivion awaits.

Yay, I've made it until past 5.00 which means it's teatime! I was counting down the minutes, and then the phone went so I've exceeded my target. Never before have I looked forward to a meal of cold meat and salad eaten at my desk with such anticipation. And boy am I going to savour it - I'm going to eat it super-slowly and see how long I can make it last. Then a couple of hours more work when hopefully I won't be too hungry, an extended journey home (an hour's walk, half an hour's bus ride) and then just time for a hot drink before bed. This has been the hardest fast day so far, but I can see my way to the end of it.

My dds are grown up and away now, so I've nothing to add to the family meals conversation, but how I admire those of you who are doing this with small children to feed. I can't imagine I would have been able to do it.

Sorry to hear you had a bad work day, curveballs. Hope you manage to body-swerve the pubs.