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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 36 - Fighting (& losing) the Battle of the Bulge? Eating too much junk? 5:2 is a healthy, sustainable way to achieve & maintain your goal weight. Join our friendly support group!

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BigChocFrenzy · 14/01/2014 15:27

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.
The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.
By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.
You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.
WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.
MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.
TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a TDEE calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.
NFD = Non fast day
NSV/LSV = Non scale victory/Lifestyle (change) victory
Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!
Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.
Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:
Other Threads
All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.
Tips and Links : Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!
Inspirational: eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.
Recipes: frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!
Exercise: bigchocfrenzy has an incredibly informative and helpful exercise and fitness thread for discussion and advice on combining 5:2 with an exercise regime.
Maintaining: If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.
Other links
This is a BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon - link to that programme here.
This Telegraph article comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.
This blog post gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.
This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.
A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")
Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this article appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI. (Though anecdotal evidence from these long-running threads may suggest otherwise…)
A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.
A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!
Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this way of life!

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BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 19/01/2014 10:43

Morning. First time I have been on this thread. Just checking in. I have lost another half lb this week. My week went like this:

Sunday - NFD
Monday - Was supposed to be a FD, but turned into a mini FD at 700 calories.
Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday - NFDs sticking to 16:8
Friday - another supposedly FD, but had KFC so was a NFD but still stuck to 16:8
Saturday - anything goes, but with one thing or another I didn't eat till after 2
I did no exercise either this week so a half lb lost is amazing.

This week I am planning to have FDs Monday and Friday. This time I am going to stick to it. Also there will be exercise.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted · 19/01/2014 11:24

Thanks turkey I think it went well over Xmas because bf = no booze Sad

Best of luck with the fast day, I completely forgot about innocent veg pots, sounds like a great plan for a fast day.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted · 19/01/2014 11:28

not2 sorry you've hit a wall, best of luck getting back on board with fasting

melanie what is cauliflower crust pizza, my mum is celiac and can't do any gluten, I quite fancy letting her know about it

MelanieCheeks · 19/01/2014 12:02

I based mine on this recipe

I topped mine with salami, green peppers, mushrooms and artichokes.

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Breadandwine · 19/01/2014 12:16

Think 'Freezer', next time, FW. Just whisk it into the freezer before you've got time to think. It'll taste just as good the next day when it's defrosted! Grin

It's what I do if I make a cake. Once I've tasted it, I want loads more - so before tasting I'll cut it up into chunks - 50g or so - and put them into the freezer out of harms way.

MelanieCheeks · 19/01/2014 12:24

I've just blogged about my version
and I'll pop that in the recipes thread as well.

LilyJoAndMe · 19/01/2014 12:55

Hi there all,
Just checking in. Done loads of exercise this week but scales not budging much. Confused
Anyhow still plodding along with 5:2 - watching calories on NFDs and so just got to stay on course.
FW- I'm not good around fresh bread either. I just put it out of eyesight or cut it into to manageable slices that I can get out for my NFDs. This 5:2 woe is helping me to look forward to eating things rather than going for instant fixes . If it's too hard to have a FD today you could maybe put it off till tomorrow ... I've done that before now. And I've really planned out my FD then.
Good luck whatever you decide.

LilyJoAndMe · 19/01/2014 13:03

Love your cauliflower pizza recipe - might try it tonight Melanie.
Also Bread - great to read about your height stuff. It's really encouraging me to see exercise long-term. There's a history of osteoperosis on one side of my family and when I started to get aches and pains myself I felt quite doomed. I didn't know that I would be able to change the course of things with exercise.

TalkinPeace · 19/01/2014 13:18

(((( ELR )))) hope things are settling down a bit after your week.
Feel free to rant and rave - that is one of the positives of these threads.
Because 5:2 is about mental control as well as just eating, no topics are off limits.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 19/01/2014 13:58

peplum - give it a go.

mscnile - thanks.

Back from 1.5 hours of walking in thick, wet, sticky mud and up hill at times. DH bought is all some thin chips, I have just had 2 crème egg biscuits (80cals each) and doing roast chicken for dinner so won't be able to start a fast until later but I will go heavy on the veg, pass on roasties and Yorkshires and will fast completely until dinner Monday night.

curveballs · 19/01/2014 14:05

Melanie your cauliflower crust pizza looks and sounds gorgeous. Definitely going to give it a go. Thanks

Errol, would you mind sharing the recipe for the Vietnamese chicken curry please?

Breadandwine · 19/01/2014 14:20

Hi LilyJoAndMe

I'm continually being surprised myself about what I've learned since adopting this WOL and coming on these threads!

I'd sort of resigned myself to having less and less strength as I aged - and to find I'm now capable of becoming stronger is - well, it's life-changing!

If you look at the video (link on the Exercise thread) of me kettlebell swinging, you'll see a large bucket to my right, full of my homemade stout - 5 gallons - and it weighs 60lb plus. Last night, before racking it into demi-johns, I thought I'd do some lifting with it. So I did a set of ten lifts up to my waist - with relative ease. I'd never have thought I could do that back along.Grin

Melanie I've just had a look at your blog - and your Green Eggs and Ham recipe made me laugh out loud! Grin

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted · 19/01/2014 15:17

melanie the pizza recipe sounds great and so healthy, will have to check out the rest of your blog.

Dh is putting up 3 coat hooks, so far it's taken 1 hour and they are still not up Hmm.

mscnile · 19/01/2014 15:30

A really weird thing happened at lunchtime. I couldn't eat it. Not sure if this is 5:2 or all weekend cooking related,mouth either way, it's a good thing! Not often I turn down roast potatoes, Yorkshires, medium-rare beef...

Dotty342kids · 19/01/2014 16:21

Well, this weekend has mostly consisted of eating my mother in laws delicious home cooked curries / rice / samosas. You can imagine what that's doing to the scales! Thank heavens for a Monday fast day tomorrow Smile

BetsyBell · 19/01/2014 16:27

mscnile see - you couldn't handle a second feast day after all! This happens...

Not to me this weekend though. But today will be a one meal day, it was just an absolutely HUGE one.

MazzleDazzle · 19/01/2014 16:42

Second NFD and I've managed to be under my TDEE. Things are going well.

Well done WhenIWasBad! Fantastic loss.

Come on Not2BObvious and get back on it. 7lbs is nothing really and you've pretty much maintained for the last 3 weeks. You can turn this around! You're in the right place for a kick up the arse and lots of encouragement. There's nothing wrong with staying the weight you are and trying to shift that 7lb in a few weeks say, but whatever you do, don't bury your head in the sand and put on more weight! You've done well to check in here and aiming for 700 cals is still a decent fast Grin.

Baloostika · 19/01/2014 16:43

Congrats to all the losers and those who had NSVs.
I've gone back to lurking again as I'm extremely busy these days and my spiritual voyage still has a week to go.
The exercise thread is wonderful and I've increased my exercise days while still fasting.
I will be in d dark for now hailing u all. I really do enjoy reading the thread though all d food talk make me hungry, lol.
Has anyone realised how u crave any food being discussed and u plan to eat it at the next available opportunity? [Smile]

clarinetV2 · 19/01/2014 16:52

NSV for me today. Yesterday was my 4th FD, easiest so far. But my NFDs haven't gone so well, as I've wanted to eat and eat and I just love high-carb foods - bread, cakes, chocolate, pasta, once I've started I find it hard to stop. Today, however, looks like I will come in well within TDEE. The reason being that when my carb craving hit mid-afternoon, and I got as far as the kitchen to put on a huge pot of spaghetti to have with pasta sauce, I caught myself just in time. I drank a glass of water and went for a walk instead. I'm now not hungry at all, and can wait perfectly happily until supper time for my healthy and within-TDEE meal. Yippee!

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted · 19/01/2014 17:04

Cheers mazzle sounds like its young well for you too.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 19/01/2014 17:35

Oops. Just had roast dinner with four roast potatoes. But I don't feel guilty. I fancied them so I had them. The lack of guilt is a NSV for me as I have spent so much time hating myself for eating.

FD tomorrow and no way am I going to not achieve it.

Not2bObvious · 19/01/2014 18:14

Thanks mcsnile & mazzle for the encouragement. I did a 4 mile jog plus 40 mins of JM before breaking my fast. In much better form. I'll just keep at it, it's the best plan I've ever followed, I know it works once I work at it.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes · 19/01/2014 18:26

Mash, smothered chicken and veg - gotta love this woe. A non-nsv: didn't stop qhen I first felt the urge to and ate the plateful. Sore tummy.

Jobyloo · 19/01/2014 18:34

n2o it's amazing how exercise and those little endorphins help clear your mind and make you feel better isn't it? I'm on a NFD but have been in a vile mood and had to be thrown out of the house by DP and sent to the gym to work it off. Then voila 60mins later after doing a 5k run, a few circuits of weights and finishing on 95 squats for the 30 day squat challenge I felt like a different person.

I know I have said this before but I really need to divorce myself from the scales because weighing over the last few days has been really demoralising. Have eaten well under TDEE and the weight has shot up! So am going to do a FD tomorrow and not weigh in until after 2nd FD however toying with the idea of throwing in an extra FD as well on Friday? Any words of wisdom? 3rd week of doing this and enjoy the FD's but can't quite relax on the other days. Do I need to be doing anything different? 5/7 days I earn/ burn at least 400 cals but haven't been using them they've just been there as a cushion. Any help would be gratefully received Thanks