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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 35 - A new year’s resolution you’ll want to keep? Try 5:2 - it's not a diet, it's a lifestyle. Whether you want to shift fat, get healthy or discover some missing self control -

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BetsyBell · 08/01/2014 17:11

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a TDEE calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV/LSV = Non scale victory/Lifestyle (change) victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

Other Threads
All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Tips and Links : Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

Inspirational: eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.

Recipes: frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

Exercise: bigchocfrenzy has an incredibly informative and helpful exercise and fitness thread for discussion and advice on combining 5:2 with an exercise regime.

Maintaining: If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Other links
This is a BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon - link to that programme here.

This Telegraph article comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.

This blog post gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this article appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI. (Though anecdotal evidence from these long-running threads may suggest otherwise…)

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this way of life!

OP posts:
BigChocFrenzy · 09/01/2014 23:24

Zed You have the right attitude with your motto Slow & steady

Remember, on IF diets WOEs such as 5:2, people seem to lose a higher % of fat and a lower % of muscle, if any, than with other diets.
This is good for your shape and body composition.

Retaining all, or most, of your muscle helps prevent weight regain later, because your TDEE does not drop as much.
The NFDs averaging at TDEE also help maintain TDEE better than a conventional daily CR (calorie reduction) diet.

This is as well as the health benefits of fasting which led many of us to 5:2.
Anything you plan to do for a couple of years needs to be healthy and to fit in with normal life, which most of us find this WOE does.

I look forward to reading your story on the Inspirations thread.
Smile

MrsFlorrick · 09/01/2014 23:28

Bigchoc GrinGrin "plyrometrically arse kick"

zedzedzed · 09/01/2014 23:33

Will do Mrs! If only because I know what happens to any bad little piggies!

20 more lbs dropped is amazing! And over the hols too. AND you say it's easy in comparison. Yeah, I'm hoping that's true for me too, it certainly seems so as the tomorrow thing is mindblowingly good as it has always been my downfall, thinking I can NEVER have something again.

So I may do my 2nd FD tomorrow so I can fit two in this week (as I started this whole thing on a random wonky day and want to do Mon/ Thurs fasts normally).

Um, am not thinking about exercise yet as it'll make me weep,just too much for this week, I'm pretty busy with the babies and a bit of walking and will maybe do a bit of Davina with weights when I get my get up and go back a bit next week...still just trying to get my head around the mammoth task ahead and this whole new woe. Thanks Mrs...am sure you'll crack that last stone, it's just a matter of fat maths! God, 11stone, can't wait to be back there again! X

Geckos48 · 09/01/2014 23:35

I suppose I better join in here!

I have 8 stone to lose

I weighed in at 116kg on Monday

I am doing 5:2 and where convenient 4:3.

My husband is joining me!

End of my third fast tonight and feeling the hunger as I fall to sleep, very much looking toward to getting up and eating!

Darnley · 09/01/2014 23:36

Hi all.

Nearing the end of my second fasting day. Am feeling really good and very motivated, and have lost a few pounds. DH is also doing 5:2 as we are both very overweight, so we are being mutually supportive.

Has anyone done 3 days instead of 2, and if so, does it speed up any weight loss and improvement in health ?

hopefulgum · 09/01/2014 23:49

OMG! 10 pages! Phew! This thread moves too fast for me to keep up. I read up to page 7 then flipped straight to page 10, I will have to read later when I have time.

Completed fast day yesterday under 500. Pleased with that.

Did my measurements this morning, and in a week I have lost 1 inch on the bust, 1/2 an inch on the waist and 2 inches on the hips! I am well pleased with that. Especially as the scales say I have only lost 200 grams. But I actually don't believe the scales because 1. I didn't weigh myself naked, and 2. I weighed in after breakfast.

I think I may weigh in again tomorrow morning, naked and before breakfast!

I am going to try to eat only lightly today as I think dinner will be a calorie bomb, with T bone steaks, garlic potatoes, gin and tonic, white wine,possibly champagne and gelati for dessert. Oh yummy!

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 09/01/2014 23:49

BigChoc I know you don't do butter! - it was nut butter! Am hurt you didn't know how much I know you. (crosses arms, turns face to side)

Not sure I want to gang up on MrsF now you haven't read my recipe properly!....

....but if I did (sneaky face)..... I would distract her by dazzling her with my best twerking from atop o' the Florrick cheese pile.

While she's transfixed, you take out the ninja piggies. We used to have some, so I know how to distract them, and from MrsF kale farty sessions, I know we'll find just what they like in the fridge mwah hah hah haa! Then it's all yours.

Plyometrically and using heightened HIIT speeds, kick the living crap out of the vault doors and grab the stash.

Just hope that she isn't channelling Jillian after clearing level 157 of RoboCop body in 3 days, and digging deep in which case - you're on your own!

Grin
Darnley · 09/01/2014 23:55

Geckos, we are a similar weight.

What has made you decide that now is the time to do this ?

Mine was more health related than weight. Am fed up with being too knackered to drag myself round the shops. As a committed shopaholic, this was a step too far... Also became really worried about diabetes.

Anyway, am determined to do this, and its good to know that I can eat tomorrow.

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 09/01/2014 23:59

Hi Gecko - Welcome!

8 stone you say? Well you're in good company here. Lots of stories on the inspiration thread, highly recommend a read to help get you motivated.

I know it's a lot of reading but the tips and links thread is also really useful. Quite often we all start out with the same questions/struggles/fears but within couple of weeks we're dishing out advice to others. You may find it helpful, if not ask away here and ignore the occasional random post about chocolate vaults and ninjas etc!

Good Luck with it all.

Same to all newcomers! Keep going - it gets easier and is very addictive because of it's simplicity. You will get healthy as well as slimmer and you don't have to say goodbye to anything you love for more than 1 day twice a week!

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 10/01/2014 00:06

And if not kale..... my absolute secret weapon........

guinea pig crack = spinach!

They don't stand a chance. Oh and this weekend is good apparently Wink

p.s only thing your gps are in danger of MrsF is being brought home by me. But the dog would 'love' them too much, so no chance!

BigChocFrenzy · 10/01/2014 00:08

Oh, Cuckoo, abject apologies, I should have realised you meant my fav nut butter. Sorry, pal.
Blush
Ok, commando raid planned - um, didn't mean quite that: I'm a naturist, but it's " whole hawg or nuthin' "; I don't go commando. My green face pack is scary enough.
Wink
You are the best twerker on thread and I'm sure MrsF stores only the best choc - she must have had a bit too much Wine when she stumbled into that heartless knobhead MrF.
Hmm
Well, if I kick hard at anything swinging low, maybe you can give her a good recipe for Foraged Braised Testicles a la Cuckoo au Vin.

We'll plan our leather costumes tomorrow. Bags I the studded whip ! Oops, wrong party.
Grin

MrsFlorrick · 10/01/2014 00:14

Zedzed. I've been Exactly where you are. Completely and utterly exactly (we are height twins Grin).

It felt mammoth. It hasn't been.

It's about getting started and getting stuck in. Once you're off that's it.

Losing the first stone or two really helps your self esteem and gives you some joy.

You will probably feel some de motivation about half way there. That's normal.

And you'll suddenly just be very close to goal. And you've then pretty much done it.

When you have a fair bit to lose, the first couple of stones shift quickly. It's a real motivator.

And Zedzed. Pleeeeeeeease I implore you. Look at exercise.
I do Jillian Michaels. It's HIIT training with strength intervals. It's a 20 minute workout but it gets you in shape fast. Just ask Earslaps!!

You need to try it. It honestly makes amazing changes to your shape and how you feel.

Before I had my DC I was slim. Never been on a diet. Ate like a horse.
I had gestational diabetes both pregnancies. And I gained just over 6 stones both times. Lost it after the first DC and I did it quickly too in just over a year. I did Jason Vale juice diet and Dukan. Hardcore but effective in the short term and not for wimps really as serious deprivation is involved. Wish I had known a out 5:2 then!!!
And second DC was born within two years of DC1.

So basically I got fat, slimmed down only to fall pregnant and have GD again and end up massive.
Weight was harder to shift second time. Mainly due to looking after two DC and feeling so tired.

But I've almost done it.
And with 5:2 I know there is no "wagon" to fall off once I reach my goal. Unlike other diets where once you stop the deprivation it's hard not to pile it all back on.

As you can see I am new to weightloss. Never tried it before DC were born as no need.

It's been a lot to get my mind around and my body has looked and felt alien to me. It changed so much not just due to pregnancies but that extra weight gain. Its been a bit of a head fuck actually.

But since starting 5:2, I have regained control and shed the fear that I will pile it all back on.
During Xmas and new year I certainly did not deprive myself but I still did my FDs and I didn't gain weight at all. Grin

Zedzed ((((((hugs))))))

MrsFlorrick · 10/01/2014 00:18

Cuckoo. Twerking on the cheese pile. That will get me. I looooooooooove cheese Grin

Bigchoc if you coat the piggies in Panko breadcrumb and make an oriental style dipping sauce with your nut butter, I think you've got at least a starter there. Wink

My choc stash is massive after Xmas Grin and I will hoard more (evil cackle).
My cheese stash is pretty big too Grin

MrsFlorrick · 10/01/2014 00:31

Bigchoc. If you all broke in Chez Florrick and twerked as if your lives depended on it, you'd not wake mrF from his slumber.
He has developed an uncanny ability to hear nothing while he sleep. Presumably so he doesn't have to help with the DC when they wake.... Hmm

Sadly Wine wasn't involved when I met him. And there were no signs of the current behaviour even after many years together. It only started after DC1 was born and then slowly almost insidiously. It didn't hit me until after DC2 came along. I guess he didn't feel he could treat me like this until he had "trapped" me properly ie with DC Sad.

If we didn't have DC, I would have walked immediately and without a backwards glance. I've left many a decent boyfriend for far far less and at the first sign of any kind of patronising overly alpha male behaviour and yet here I am.

I always swore I wouldn't become this person ie housewife who puts up with anything just to keep the peace. But once you have DC, you need to think very carefully about what's best for them. And it wouldn't be best for them to be hauled off to a bedsit or a crummy flat and spend all their time in daycare while their mum scrapped around in crappy jobs trying to hold it together in the hope the settlement would take care of everyone. I simply
Can't leave or ask him to without ruining the DC lives.
I bore the two of them. They grew inside me and I have a duty to ensure the have the best calmest and most trouble free childhood I can give. So that means me doing the doormat impression for another 16 years or so Sad. Makes you want WineWineWine!

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 10/01/2014 01:01

Oh MrsF Thanks Wine Wine

How about we break in and I help you drink his wine collection while BC plyometrically does stuff to him in a way that doesn't leave marks and we'll drug him with something that makes him forget the next day.

She gets her work out, I help you marinade with Wine and we can all share the chocolate. We'll have secret cellar parties! Anyone else with mad skillz can join us too? Howbout that eh??

You are beautiful, wonderful individual MrsF and the saddest part about all of this is when I hear how you lost/have lost some of your self worth. DIG DEEP!! You are worth it! (and not the elvive-y way. They didn't invent that phrase - arseholes!) XX

Breadandwine · 10/01/2014 02:02

find it hard to find good recipes for a veggie trying to go lower on carbs.

madhairday, I'm a vegan, and I've been IFing for nearly 2 years, so I've had lots of experience with low-carb meals. In fact I've got a blog where I post them (most of these are on the recipe thread).

You might find some ideas on here - particularly the low-cal curry with 100g broccoli instead of rice.

BsshBossh · 10/01/2014 07:13

Weigh-in Friday: 1.4 lbs down this week (2.4 lbs from goal!).

TossedSaladsAndScrambledEggs · 10/01/2014 07:13

Well done to everyone so far!

I am a bit gutted as I have maintained after 2 nd fast day so only lost a pound after 2 this week Sad.

So looks like I will have to stick to my tdee today which I was kinda hoping I wouldn't have to resort to on nfds! I am trying to do af so I do have one more fd left this week, and without being tmi I am a bit sluggish digestion system wise after Xmas so hopefully I may drop a few pounds yet!

Not exercising either as I am still coughing from a rather nasty fluey thing so should shift better once I get running again.

Good luck to everyone today! Smile

Eatriskier · 10/01/2014 07:14

zed when I first started I could barely walk with si ligament strains. It's what spurred me into starting this woe, so I had no choice but to start exercising slowly. If you want to ease in try something like the 30 day squat challenge. Then get your walk on, even if it's for 30 mins around your living room. I now elliptical run and cycle twice a week, hula hoop 3 times a week and make sure I have a good walk everyday. Though today's walk will also be accompanied by a good 2 mile jog around my living room chasing Dd who gets irritated that I can't keep doing it!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 10/01/2014 07:54

Morning all! Smile

Welcome to all the newbies. You are stuck with us all now Grin.

Well done BsshBossh!

I measured this morning. 1cm up Sad. Weighed this morning. Still 160lbs. I am going to just eat what I need until Sunday lunch and then fast at least the 16 hours and see what happens. I do think though if I look like I do now when DS2 was 9 weeks old I did pretty well. This is near enough the lowest I have been since before I was pregnant with him so obviously my body recognises it. I am still a few pounds overweight so I just focus on the few pounds but and stop being so vain to want to me 10 something!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 10/01/2014 07:55

few pounds bit, not but.

zedzedzed · 10/01/2014 08:06

mrs f thanks for lovely long post/cheer-leading, ra-ra dancing. Yes. I'm off. I am really doing this (2nd fast day today, liquids only, probably just a snack for dinner...easier to be extreme what with my compulsive food personality!)

But...if I have to do anything with 'shred' in the title right now I will give up entirely, I know I will, this week HAS to be about committing to this new woe, burning the rules on my brain and teaching my body how to function again.
I'm not lazy, far from it, I'm a hyper/high-functioning/speedy maniac! Loads of stomping up mountains, bombing along beaches and 18hr shifts on my feet in a very physically demanding job. That was the only time I stayed effortlessly slim, no diet, noexercise, just being busy-busy-busy all day. But that was BEFORE The Babies!

I absolutely will get onto it. I promise faithfully. But I will start very slow (2 ear to ear c-sections have severed all communication between me and my stomach muscles/nerves, and hyper-baggy-hormone-attacked ligaments and carpal tunnel killed the rest...gotta love those wee babybastardos).

But I have already upped my daily activity and I will add one workout at a time, once I can commit to that I will add another etc. If my brain even sniffs the word 'regime' I will subconsciously rebel and run (or sit) in protest. High impact short, sharp exercise bouts may be the way forward.

So, it'll be Playstation Let's Dance (cos it's fun and I don't notice I'm exercising) and a bit of Davina or light interval training. Shredding is a long way off. It's funny how I can be so iron-willed with food (off and on, which is why I love the idea of this woe) and still DESPISE formal exercise, no it DOESN'T give me an endorphin buzz, no I DON'T feel better for it, I dread it, do it, loathe it, but yes I KNOW that it works. But for me, being hyperactive in my day works better than 3-5 formal routines that make me want to crawl under my duvet...with cheese.

MazzleDazzle · 10/01/2014 08:10

Feeling a bit disheartened and fed-up.

Weight loss has been slow and as I weigh myself everyday, the scales tell me that on my NFDs my weight shoots back up, then down, then up, etc.
I have two and a half stone to lose - at this rate it will take YEARS!

I know I shouldn't weigh myself everyday, but I find it so hard not to. Also, my FD are on different days every week, so if I was to try and weigh myself weekly, I wouldn't know which day to do it.

Today was supposed to be a NFD, but after stepping on the scales it's going to be a FD and I feel fine about that. So in some ways, the scales encourage me.

I have a contraceptive implant and periods are irregular. Have felt on the verge of mtotm for 3 weeks now, but it still hasn't arrived! I know this isn't helping!

Have also had a tough few days in other ways, but won't get into that here.

(Sigh)

Anyway, moan over, FD begins! Shall now attempt 1 real press up (there is zero chance I will succeed) a plank and run up and down the stairs a few times, before my HIT class. Last week I was doing no exercise at all, so that's something to celebrate at least.

zedzedzed · 10/01/2014 08:13

eat risk Will have a look at squatting thing...sounds very uncouth and likely to produce a lot of trumpeting, which my boy should enjoy...but I'll Google now...or wait, is it on here somewhere...

MazzleDazzle · 10/01/2014 08:18

By the way zed, the Shred is no harder than any of Davina's workouts, it only lasts 20 mins, and there are 3 workouts, so start with level 1, which is on youtube. Go on, I dare you!

Very few people do it religiously for 30 days. Calling it 30 Day Shred is more of a marketing ploy than anything else. Start with once a week if you have to.

I too have had 2 emergency c-sections and was horrified that after DD2 I couldn't even do 1 sit up! It was like I was paralysed! When I tried to raise myself up, literally NOTHING happened.