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Fasting / 5:2 diet

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5:2 Exercise & Fitness: Advice and information for those following 5:2 / IF (Intermittent Fasting)

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BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 31/12/2013 01:51

Why Exercise ?

Maintaining a normal bodyweight and taking regular exercise are 2 major areas of life which we can address to improve our health.

Fasted training, i.e. training on FDs, seems to increase the benefits of both training and IF, but it is advisable to first become used to fasting

Exercise alone does not produce significant weight loss for most people. However it can improve body shape and can help overcome weight plateaux.

Regular exercise helps reduce the risk of obesity, type 2 diabetes, heart diesease, high blood pressure, some cancers, osteoporosis, dementia, depression.

  • Try to train regularly, building up to 3-6 days per week.
  • Develop a training routine you enjoy and want to continue long term.
  • Regular exercisers gain the greatest benefits over their lifetime and they can minimise biological aging, i.e. "Bend the Aging Curve" BendAge

WARNING: If you are very obese or have health issues, check with your GP that you are able to start exercising and also if there are types of exercise you should avoid.

Fat and Metabolism

Body fat is highly active tissue which secretes hormones (e.g. leptin, adiponectin) and microphages (which cause inflammation) directly into the bloodstream. These substances can significantly affect metabolism & weight and increase the risk of diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, stroke, some cancers.
E.g ref and ref

Visceral fat is more dangerous than subcutaneous - a study found that liposuction removing up to 20lb of the latter did not improve health indicators. Visceral fat needs to be reduced by exercise and a calorie deficit, preferably both together.

Hormesis

"What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger"
Hormesis Mattson and Hormesis can be applied to exercise, analagous to how 5:2 /IF uses it for nutrition.
Alternating between “extremes” of feast and fast (like 5:2) or intense training and rest, makes the body more resilient.

The intermittent stress of lifting an extreme weight or performing at high speed for a short period pushes the body to overcompensate and prepare for an even greater future challenge HormesisTrain and AntiFragile
The following recovery period avoids damage from over-stressing.

INEFFICIENT: Low-Medium Intensity Steady state Cardio

Steady state cardio is not necessary and should only be a small part of your weekly cardio, unless it is all you can manage to do.

Only high intensity exercise recruits the fast-twitch muscle fibers that have the most glycogen (stored glucose). Steady State Cardio does not empty the glucose stores in those particular muscles. Hence, the circulating glucose has nowhere to be stored — except as bodyfat.

Moreover, the muscle cells will lose their sensitivity to insulin and become inflamed by the high levels of insulin, which the body has produced to deal with the high levels of circulating glucose. The body mortars this inflammation with LDL cholesterol.

Hence, those exercising only at low-medium intensity are at greater risk of cardiovascular problems than high intensity exercisers SteadyState (pp. 31-34).
Obviously, non-exercisers have the highest risk of all.

RECOMMENDED TYPES of Exercise

HIIT cardio and resistance training / weight lifting are recommended to boost the effect of 5:2/IF, to increase weight loss, reduce body fat, retain muscle and maintain TDEE / BMR.

Anyone who is not specialising in a sport at a high level should aim to do a variety of training: HIIT cardio, resistance and flexibility.

HOW to Exercise

The cardio machines and the girlie pink dumbbells that gyms push are inadequate to significantly improve fitness or burn fat.
However, 10 mins walk on a treadmill or outside is beneficial after training, especially after heavy lifting.
Scientists have proved that cardio and resistance training can be done in the same session, without detriment to either, e.g. TrainBoth

Whether you join a gym or train at home or in the park:

  • Train as intensively as your time, health and fitness level allow.
  • Do not remain in your comfort zone, or you will not improve.
  • You are supposed to drip sweat and pant heavily !
However, a brisk 30 mins daily walk plus 5 mins hoop is better than nothing and if done regularly will bring some health benefits.

Flexibility

  • Stretching for 5 mins before and after each training session is recommended
  • Yoga and Pilates classes can be added if additional flexibility training is desired. Some such classes also provide additional strength / toning.

HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training)

HIIT is an exercise strategy which alternates brief intervals of high intensity exercise with less-intense recovery periods. Time intervals may be equal or different and their length and the number of sets depends on fitness level.

Start with one session per week and build up to a maximum of 3 (no more).

HIIT is very time-efficient, producing the greatest fitness benefit in the least time (the advantage of hormesis). However, beginners should build up gradually, starting say with just 1 or 2 intervals.

Scientists have proved that HIIT burns more fat than steady state lower intensity exercise and speeds up the metabolism, which helps burn more calories for up to 48 hrs.

HIIT increases both aerobic and anaerobic endurance

HIIT can be applied to cardio: e.g. cycling, running, skipping, jumping, mountain climbs
or to bodyweight exercises, e.g. squatting, situps, burpees, pressups

Most gyms offer classes, e.g.
spinning, circuit training, CrossFit, Tabata, Fartlek(Fartlek = HIIT with irregular intervals)
which each use a form of interval training.
These classes require less planning and are often more enjoyable (music, socialising, equipment) than training on your own.

A typical HIIT session could consist of:

  • 4 mins warmup
  • 8 sets of intervals
  • 4 mins cooldown
and last 12-60 mins in total.

Recovery time is usually half the high intensity time.
Examples of typical interval sets are:

  • 20 seconds high intensity + 10 secs recovery OR
  • 40 sec high + 20 sec low OR
  • 60 sec high + 30 sec low

Detailed HIIT example plans: (scroll down to Workouts section and ignore whether entitled "cutting" or "bulking") BodyBuild

RESISTANCE Training / LIFTING

This helps retain muscle mass during weight loss and hence to maintain TDEE.

It is easier in a gym, especially re equipment. You can lift in the weights area on your own OR in a pump class.
Whether @ gym or home, before you start lifting, have a few lessons with a trainer to learn the correct form and avoid injury.

It is best not to train the same muscle groups 2 days in succession, so have rest days, or cardio, or train different muscle groups on different days.
Try to build up to weight training for 30-60 mins twice per week.

WARNING
The "Heavy" lifting described here should not exceed bodyweight unless you are really fit and expert.
Women who have given birth and / or are aged 40+ have a higher risk of pelvic floor / prolapse injuries when lifting heavy than young non-mums.

Main Lifting / Resistance Exercises

Reps = the number of repetitions in a set of a particular lifting exercise
Sets are normally separated by brief rests
E.g. you might do 3 sets each of 12 reps all of the same exercise.

If you have access to dumbbells / barbells, then for maximum effect, work the large muscle groups. Alternatively, use bodyweight.
squats
bent-over rows (press button "female")
Behind neckPress (press button "female")
dead lift
The abs and smaller muscle groups will automatically be trained by these exercises, but you can add optionally 20 mins weekly abs exercises:

Basic Abs

  • Situps: build up to 3 sets of 20 reps. Try to put your arms in front of you, instead of behind your head
  • Angled situps: with one ankle resting on the opposite knee. 2 sets of 15 each side
  • Plank: 3 sets, each 45 secs
  • Leg extensions: legs bent 90 degrees, so your lower legs are parallel to the floor. Stretch each leg in turn, parallel to the floor. 3 sets of 10.

Lifting To increase Strength Rather than Muscle Mass
Lift as heavy as you can, low reps, with 1 minute rest between sets
e.g. 5 sets x 5 reps each, i.e. totalling 25 lifts.

Lifting To Build More Muscle
With a lower weight, do 3 sets x 8-20 reps, i.e. totalling 24-60 lifts.

Additionally, or if you don't have heavy barbells, use your bodyweight.
Example to build up to:

  • 3 sets of 30 press ups, proper ones, see detail below +.
  • 40 deep squats, with thighs parallel to floor, i.e. ATG (Arse to Grass) see ++.
  • 3 set of 8 reps inverted pullup /row Inverted OR assisted chin-ups on a gym machine OR full chin-ups if you can manage them (Amazon have pullup bars which fit over doors from about £15)

+Press ups

  • It is best to keep attempting one proper pressup rather than doing several dozen girlie ones with your knees on the floor.
  • Once you can do one pressup, you will soon be able to build up to 5, then 10 etc.
  • Tip: keep the abs rigid, so strong abs are as important as strong shoulders & arms.

++Squats

  • Are the best exercise for the large muscle group in bum and thighs.
  • Basic principle: It is like having a pee on a public loo - get your bum down low and pointing to the rear, but not actually touching the seat.
-Lean back on your heels, so that weight is on them, not on your toes. -For bodyweight squats, bring your arms forward -Keep your back straight, but angled slightly forward, not vertical.
  • Go down as far as you can without knee pain.

CAUTION With Leangains-Type Protocols

5:2 is an easier WOL than other forms of IF, with most days being NFDs during which the body can recuperate.

Some women have had injuries or health problems with very tough LeanGains-type protocols, which combine ADF or daily 16:8 with fasted lifting of multiples of body weight.

Some women have achieved excellent results on LeanGains-type; others had problems after a few months, or even from the start. Particularly at risk are women with very low (11-18%) body fat, possibly already with irregular menstruation, or with EDs.

Post-menopausal women seem to do well, as do men, presumably due to differences in hormones, body fat %, metabolism.

RECOMMENDATION: Don't lift more than your bodyweight and mostly lift well below it.

Running versus Walking

Walking is beneficial psychologically, is easy on the knee joints and has some physical benefits.

However, at speeds of 5mph or faster, running will burn more calories per mile than walking Ref . Typical values:

  • For running (5 mph and higher): Total calories burned per mile = .75 x body weight (in pounds); net calories (see ++) burned per mile = .63 x weight.
  • For walking (3 to 4 mph): Total calories burned per mile = .53 x body weight; net calories burned per mile = .30 x weight.

++ Note: net calories = total calories - cals the body would have burned at rest (calculated from BMR)

AVOID OSTEOPOROSIS

We start losing bone density from about age 35. Women can lose a great deal before, during and after menopause.

Other risk factors: Smoking, heavy drinking, inactive lifestyle, very slim build, family history of osteoporosis, longterm steroid use.

To retain bone strength and avoid a painfully disabled old age, start now:
Ideally weight bearing exercises that load the bone along its length

Impact exercise E.g. walking, running, jumping, skipping rope, step class, hitting a heavy punch bag.

Lifting: squats, press-ups, bench press, overhead press etc.

Squats are much better than lunges: The weight in a squat is transmitted down along the spine, through the hip, and down along the bones of the leg, whereas in a lunge, it is transmitted across the shinbone and puts pressure on the knee joint.

Cycling normally does NOT increase bone density as it does not really load bones along their length. A study found that cyclists who did no other exercise had low bone density because of the combo of this with their training Osteo

KETTLEBELLS

Useful exercise descriptions and videos: Kettle
Recommended for beginners (and shown in the link):
. Two-handed swing
. Sumo Deadlift
. Turkish Getup
. Swing
. Clean and Jerk
. Press

How to Choose a Gym (if you want to)

  • gym offpeak can be as cheap as £30 p.m. as you don't need expensive pools, sauna, juice bars, massage etc.
  • within journey time 20 mins
  • plenty of classes at times to suit you
  • creche if needed
  • don't bother with expense of a personal trainer.

Start with these classes if available:

  • weekly spin, because you can set your own resistance and speed 45-60 mins
  • any additional interval training class, see earlier for list.
  • weekly pump 60 mins
  • weekly abs class 15-30 mins

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CALCULATORS:
Estimate your fitness age: FitAge
Estimate Vo2Max iTunes App: Vo2APP
Body Fat Calculator:BF
Healthy Body Fat Percentages at Different Ages:
HealthyBF
TDEE with detailed activity times: TDEE

More links: 52FastDietForum-Fasting & Exercise 52exercise GettingStronger.Org-Hormesis Hormesis GettingStronger.Org-Fitness Fitness LeanGains Protocols : Leangains MarksDailyApple-Home Workouts Without Equipment WorkAtHome

OP posts:
CuckooAtchooUhOh · 07/01/2014 23:10

I like the sound of this setting our own challenges/target idea.

We could post our updates with a brief description of what we're aiming for at top.

Betsy - the pull up idea.... you said you would need to work up to one. So does it suit you then that the challenge title was one pull up in one year! Grin No need to run. Lets get a taxi Grin Grin

Easy does it an all that!

I do have another suggestion as well.....

Not sure if this has already been done but thought it could be fun/interesting/helpful to post any of our little day to day ways of incorporating a bit of fitness into our lives.
Not the hardcore or proper workouts stuff, but the little tricks.......

For instance......

The other day had to park near top of multi storey because it was heaving. Had to go to ground floor (5 levels) for the shops. I always take the stairs instead of lift whenever poss now anyway, but this time, inspired by the talk of HIIT etc on here, I decided instead of just walking I would run as fast as poss on stairs, then slowly walk to next set.

This was surprisingly effective on way down. But coming up was a killer!! I was Hormesisizing!!!!!!!!! Grin

Chocupid · 07/01/2014 23:22

Hmm I quite fancy trying the big girl push ups as my arms are my weakest area. Tried today, only managed 3, but don't think I'm going low enough, bit scared I may not get back up if I get my nose to the floor... Is that what we are meant to do?

I try and walk everywhere and at a quick pace as if I'm late for an appointment, and if I have to drive eg supermarket I park at the far corner and always run back to car with my trolley.

I remember going through a faze of doing squats or sit ups during every ad break when watching TV, didn't last long though and DH found it annoying!

BigChocFrenzy · 07/01/2014 23:30

Good idea, Cuckoo

Oh and don't forget to post your CLENCH exercises here.
I only know the one about stopping mid-wee, but someone said that was unhealthy because it could trap old wee in some corner of the tube, so I stopped completely.
Confused

My Exercise Trick

I gave up my car about 12 years ago, to encourage myself to walk / run more.

Well, I cycle instead, but it is to / from work and gym every workday. Only 2 mile stretches and at a gentle pace, to chill. But still, 4 x 15 min stretches when I'm not sitting on my bum eating choc.
Also, my weekly shop is only a mile, but I walk the bike back with the heavy shopping in a huge rear basket.

I save so much money not having a car ! That's how I can afford 2 gyms and dozens of training togs Smile

BigChocFrenzy · 07/01/2014 23:46

New Pushups - Easier on Joints

My CrossFit and boxing classes now both do a different type of full pushup, probably because it is very easy on the joints. Don't know if they have a special name; our gyms here don't.

  • Lie face down on floor, with arms on the floor, palms down, bent 90 degrees at the elbow.
  • Push yourself up through your palms & toes, NOT using knees at all, to full pressup position
  • Lower yourself completely to the floor, again NOT using knees, so your bent arms palms are down on the floor again
  • Briefly raise your bent arms slightly above the floor and lower them again. (I raise my arms and slap them down again quickly so I can do 50 of these pressups quickly)
  • That is a pressup. Now rinse & repeat the desired number of times

In fact this is like an IF pressup, because you have a series of brief high loads alternating with brief recovery, instead of a continual high stress. These pressups are great - you can really work your muscles, not your joints.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/01/2014 23:48

Betsy, Chocupid These pressups are for you !

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 07/01/2014 23:52

Good for you BigChoc and with petrol prices these days, that is some saving too! I don't really have a CLENCH routine. Just do it whenever I remember to! In fact I am clenching this very second Wink

Think B&W was saying he notices difference if he doesn't do them for a bit. Same here! So just as often as poss.

I suppose I prob do them in sets of 8 or 10 or whatever I get to before being distracted Grin I also try to hold the clench for 10 secs as I believe that is better!

Was considering some love eggs or whatevs they are for toning?? But half expecting an alarm to go off and the portcullis to drop if anything attempts entry all of a sudden Shock Shock Grin

ChocCupid loving the car park one! So simple but it all adds up. Have to admit to being one of those park as close as poss types usually, but you have now planted the seed which cannot be ignored!

I absolutely Grin the jumping up on adverts image!! I like the idea of that but with the whole rewind/pause/forward of programmes (rarely watch anything live) it would be less likely to happen here unless I've got t' telly to myself! Will try to remember for when I have though.

Breadandwine · 08/01/2014 01:14

Back home after a few days with Oscar and family, now re-united with my kettlebell! Grin And Oscar and him mum came down with us - bonus!

I wasn't idle whilst away, I did my kettlebell exercises with a 1ltr (1.4kg) bottle of olive oil. (Proper EVOO, though, none of your 'light olive oil' nonsense! Grin)

Here's tonight's routine (I exercise in front of the TV in the kitchen - starting with Newsnight and the Paper Reviews):

30 secs plank x 3
20 push ups x 3
20 squats x 3
10 Pull-ups – about 10cm x 3

Kettlebell:
20 2 handed swing x 2
20 l/handed swing x 2
20 r/handed swing x 2
20 turns 'steering wheel' x 2
20 l/handed clean and jerk x 2
20 r/handed lean and jerk x 2
20 l/h press x 2
20 r/h press x 2

Plus I did my back exercises.

I've just realised I can combine two exercises in one - so tonight I began CLENCHING with each kettlebell rep. So I got in an extra 320 clenches tonight! Smile

I like the idea of a challenge (or two!) - so my challenge is to do 20 proper push-ups. ATM, my first one or two of a set are OKish, the rest of them aren't - in that I only get about halfway down. But I'm improving.

My second challenge is to do 10 chin-ups in one set. As I said upthread, when I began, end of November, it was all I could do to hang there for 5 seconds, now I can do a set of 10 x 10cm.

I also intend to up the sets on all my exercises to 4, but I'm in no hurry for that.

About incidental exercises, I have 3 exercises I do all at once while in a supermarket queue:

  1. I lift myself up on my toes - first on one foot, then on the other
  2. I hold my breath for as long as I can, and,
  3. I CLENCH continually

About holding my breath - I can swim underwater for about 60 seconds, and hold my breath whilst inactive for about 90 secs.

Now here's a challenge I shall set all you fit young women!

In Dr M's Horizon programme, Eat, Fast and Live Longer, he sees how long he can stay upright on one leg with his eyes closed. He only manages about 7-8 seconds (from memory), whilst the CRONY he was matched against did over 30 seconds before he got fed up.

I also can go over 30 seconds - last time (couple of months ago) I did 30odd seconds on one foot and upwards of 40 seconds on the other before I got bored.

I haven't checked recently - but I will tomorrow and report back.

Just one rule - no shoes, it has to be barefoot or stocking footed.

Give yourself plenty of room to hop around a bit - especially you Tip Smile

Papayasoup · 08/01/2014 02:24

Great thread, thanks BCF and all the contributors.

I need some advice as I'm trying to figure out my exercise regime for this year as toning is my real goal a well as maintaining on 5:2, 6:1, 16:8 combo.

I work full time, leave the house at 630, up at 545, home at 7 then get DD to bed and organise our dinner so after work exercise is just not an option at the moment. I did think of getting a hula hoop but I've not seen any for sale here, I live in Asia. At lunch I aim to go to the gym where they have a circuit that takes 25 min to do but nothing else. I've done that since Aug and I've seen results so will continue with that.
I also did 30d shred on and off, mainly when I travel in my hotel room but less travel planned over the next few months. If I can motivate myself I try at the weekend before I start my taxi service for DD! I can now manage about 5 press ups so need to build on that. Oh and my weights are super girly!!
We have a spinning bike at home I've never gone near. I've never managed cycling standing up. But I'm thinking if I could find a DVD, YouTube then maybe I could start and see how I get on. Any recommendations?

Any ideas, recommendations on how I could fit in more, be more effective would be greatly received

BetsyBell · 08/01/2014 09:59

Just came to report on my failed push up (I sort of managed 1 proper non girly one) but then hallelujah! I saw the post above - I CAN DO THOSE PUSHUPS - If I'm allowed to be completely on the floor between hefting myself up then I'm golden!

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ErrolTheDragon · 08/01/2014 10:10

I tried to do BCF's modified pushup but just couldn't get off the ground. Not sure how much that's lack of strength in relevant areas or that I've misunderstood the technique. I'm a bit sore - done my 3rd day of post-xmas shred (with girlie pushups, but when I did shred first last year I couldn't even do those), and yesterday did some wall push-ups - at as shallow an angle as I could go without my feet slipping.

Anyone know of a youtube or suchlike showing it?

BetsyBell · 08/01/2014 11:16

Can you hold a plank position Errol?

Lazysuzanne · 08/01/2014 12:52

My press up total is 14, regular style reasonably strict close grip press ups.

I think the most I've ever done was around 20, but that was 'back in the day'

Not sure if I want to up the total, I think my wrists might suffer and that could really bugger up the rest of my training.

ErrolTheDragon · 08/01/2014 12:56

Betsey - yes... though hard to tell if I'm doing it exactly right. Will be doing lots of planky stuff in L2 of shred.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/01/2014 13:08

Well done, Betsy !
Yes, you lie brieflyon the floor in between pressups, while you raise your arms of the floor and back again. It is easier on the shoulders, too, because they are not continually stressed thoughout the set of pushups, just during the "push" phases.

They are not instead of the other full pressups, unless you are beginning, or have wrist problems, but they help build up the muscles and are less likely to cause stress injuries.

That's why I regard them as a form of "interval or intermittent pressup":
the high-stress of the pushing-up part of the exercise alternates with a very brief recovery period.

Errol I'll hunt for a video tonight; problem is, I don't know what this variant is called, so can't just Google directly. I'll ask at the gym tomorrow night, or whenever the XFit trainers are there.

Also, Betsy is right that your abs need to be strong enough to hold the plank.
btw: the push should bring you up, so that you are balanced with straight back, on your toes at one end and your palms at the other, with arms straight.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/01/2014 13:10

and you lower yourself to the floor again by bending your arms, not using your knees.

ErrolTheDragon · 08/01/2014 13:39

Thanks BCF. I'll try to do some planks meanwhile - TBH I'm not sure how long I can hold them for right now.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 08/01/2014 16:06

Right I have decided on my challenge, well challenges:

  1. get round half marathon in under 2 hours 30 mins
  2. get under 25 mins in Parkrun
  3. finish all of 30 day push up challenge (currently on day 3)

Number 1 will be done in May
Number 2 will be done some time this year. My PB is 25:44, but this was in June and now I find it hard to get under 28 mins so will aim for 25 mins
Once number 3 is completed I will have a new 30 day challenge. Possibly a plank challenge or sit up challenge or a harder push up challenge. The one I am doing gets you up to 30.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/01/2014 18:57

That sounds really good, Biscuits, you will be improving different aspects of your fitness.

Plenty of time to decide what to do next: 3 sets of 20 press-ups / 3 sets of no-hand situps/ sets of planks / squats / skipping .....
Or try something different, like taekwondo or Zumba.

A whole world of different sports just waiting for you to find them.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/01/2014 19:21

Hi, Papaya, welcome. OK, basically you want something fairly quick to do at home, with minimal equipment & space.

Obviously, do exercise before dinner (burns more fat too) not after, so you need to delay dinner, or plan something that will cook away happily to itself.

You need to exercise regularly, so allocate either say 15 mins, 5 days a week, or 20-30 mins on 3 days, or whatever fits your schedule.

Choose what you like doing, so that you keep it up.

toning That means efficient strength training:
I definitely agree you should try to work on your press-ups.
Maybe a oress-up challenge, where you add a couple every few days might suit you. Also a bodyweight squat challenge.

Both exercises would address the major muscle groups in your body, which influence your shape and they would help firm things up.

You don't need to bother with girly weights or even abs for now, if you do these, so they are time-efficient.

cardio
You can pedal away in front of the TV (if you have a tolerant DP/ none)
Or, skipping is excellent cardio, very cheap & easy - do you have a room / patio / garden for this ?

Obviously, resume the shred if you liked that.
Do ypu have Wii ?

BigChocFrenzy · 08/01/2014 19:29

BreadandWine What a fantastic workout !
The whole thread is just hoping to be be as active as you in retirement - we're working hard on it !
Smile
Keep us posted with your Kettling.

Anyone who belongs to a gym: do try Kettling if it is offered in a class, or in the free weights area.
B&W is now our resident expert swinger
Smile

Baloostika · 08/01/2014 20:00

Hello everybody.
Marking my place on the exercise thread. This is my first time on here and it's so fun and so much info.
I dodnt think I can do any challenge right now except that I will challenge myself to try and exercise 3 to 5 days throughout this month and that's because I'm on my annual 21 days spiritual fasting. I do exercise fasted and it's no problem. I an a fit person and a gym bunny Smile.
I don't think I can ever do a proper push up naaaah that's not for me. I have done so many challenges, squats, planks etc but never a push up one.
By the way I won Chris Freytag's (Prevention Magazine) Back to School challenge last year though I didn't get the prize cos I live outside the US what wit taxes and all Sad. She sent me her latest book ebook instead, so nice of her.
Storiesssss, sorry guys if I bored u.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/01/2014 20:34

Welcome, Baloostika, nice of you to pop in to see us.
Lots of other gym bunnies here, also people just starting to exercise, so a very nice mixture !
Very well done, winning Chris Freytag's challenge.

I'm sure you'll find an interesting exercise challenge here to try, after your spiritual timeout.
Anyway, I will definitely try to convert you to BigGirl press-ups; they are sooo fundamental to good fitness.
Smile

Papayasoup · 08/01/2014 21:11

BCF thanks for the suggestions. I think incorporating a challenge is the way forward. Just need to pick one and start! No more procrastinating!

Anglaise1 · 08/01/2014 21:24

BCF Thanks for this thread, it is very helpful!
I already run a lot and train 4 times a week for 10k races (my time is always 46 minutes & I'd like to get below 45 minutes for 2014) with interval training included.
I've just made a major investment by buying a skipping rope and would like to do some HIIT on the days I don't run - have you any suggestions as to what would be good training, for example 1 minute skip 30 secs rest for 15mins?

BigChocFrenzy · 08/01/2014 21:55

Welcome, Anglaise1, glad you like our thread.

Wow, I am seriously impressed by 45 mins 10k. First pat yourself on the back for that. I regard sub-60 as a high standard (I am a short-arse with legs to match !). And you are investing serious time in your sport.

Yes, your proposed skipping HIIT schedule would be very demanding, but you obviously have very high cardio fitness and leg strength.
If you initially find it tough, you could always do 5 mins on 60/30 intervals, then, if you have energy, another 5 mins with say 30-45 sec skip/30 break.

A suggestion, though: You are doing a lot of cardio. Can you add 15 mins upper body exercise just before your skipping ?
I appreciate you don't want to add much muscle mass if you are trying to run faster. However, it is good to cross-train at least a bit, to keep the whole body in peak condition.
The good old press-ups (phew, folks must think I get royalties on these !) would exercise all your main upper muscle groups in a few minutes. I can suggest a few additional exercises if you like.

Do let us know how you progress with your 10k and your other training.
Especially the red-letter day when you have achieved sub-45mins.