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5:2 Exercise & Fitness: Advice and information for those following 5:2 / IF (Intermittent Fasting)

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BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 31/12/2013 01:51

Why Exercise ?

Maintaining a normal bodyweight and taking regular exercise are 2 major areas of life which we can address to improve our health.

Fasted training, i.e. training on FDs, seems to increase the benefits of both training and IF, but it is advisable to first become used to fasting

Exercise alone does not produce significant weight loss for most people. However it can improve body shape and can help overcome weight plateaux.

Regular exercise helps reduce the risk of obesity, type 2 diabetes, heart diesease, high blood pressure, some cancers, osteoporosis, dementia, depression.

  • Try to train regularly, building up to 3-6 days per week.
  • Develop a training routine you enjoy and want to continue long term.
  • Regular exercisers gain the greatest benefits over their lifetime and they can minimise biological aging, i.e. "Bend the Aging Curve" BendAge


WARNING:
If you are very obese or have health issues, check with your GP that you are able to start exercising and also if there are types of exercise you should avoid.
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Fat and Metabolism

Body fat is highly active tissue which secretes hormones (e.g. leptin, adiponectin) and microphages (which cause inflammation) directly into the bloodstream. These substances can significantly affect metabolism & weight and increase the risk of diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, stroke, some cancers.
E.g ref and ref

Visceral fat is more dangerous than subcutaneous - a study found that liposuction removing up to 20lb of the latter did not improve health indicators. Visceral fat needs to be reduced by exercise and a calorie deficit, preferably both together.

Hormesis

"What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger"
Hormesis Mattson and Hormesis can be applied to exercise, analagous to how 5:2 /IF uses it for nutrition.
Alternating between “extremes” of feast and fast (like 5:2) or intense training and rest, makes the body more resilient.

The intermittent stress of lifting an extreme weight or performing at high speed for a short period pushes the body to overcompensate and prepare for an even greater future challenge HormesisTrain and AntiFragile
The following recovery period avoids damage from over-stressing.

INEFFICIENT: Low-Medium Intensity Steady state Cardio

Steady state cardio is not necessary and should only be a small part of your weekly cardio, unless it is all you can manage to do.

Only high intensity exercise recruits the fast-twitch muscle fibers that have the most glycogen (stored glucose). Steady State Cardio does not empty the glucose stores in those particular muscles. Hence, the circulating glucose has nowhere to be stored — except as bodyfat.

Moreover, the muscle cells will lose their sensitivity to insulin and become inflamed by the high levels of insulin, which the body has produced to deal with the high levels of circulating glucose. The body mortars this inflammation with LDL cholesterol.

Hence, those exercising only at low-medium intensity are at greater risk of cardiovascular problems than high intensity exercisers SteadyState (pp. 31-34).
Obviously, non-exercisers have the highest risk of all.

RECOMMENDED TYPES of Exercise

HIIT cardio and resistance training / weight lifting are recommended to boost the effect of 5:2/IF, to increase weight loss, reduce body fat, retain muscle and maintain TDEE / BMR.

Anyone who is not specialising in a sport at a high level should aim to do a variety of training: HIIT cardio, resistance and flexibility.

HOW to Exercise

The cardio machines and the girlie pink dumbbells that gyms push are inadequate to significantly improve fitness or burn fat.
However, 10 mins walk on a treadmill or outside is beneficial after training, especially after heavy lifting.
Scientists have proved that cardio and resistance training can be done in the same session, without detriment to either, e.g. TrainBoth

Whether you join a gym or train at home or in the park:
  • Train as intensively as your time, health and fitness level allow.
  • Do not remain in your comfort zone, or you will not improve.
  • You are supposed to drip sweat and pant heavily !

However, a brisk 30 mins daily walk plus 5 mins hoop is better than nothing and if done regularly will bring some health benefits.

Flexibility

  • Stretching for 5 mins before and after each training session is recommended
  • Yoga and Pilates classes can be added if additional flexibility training is desired. Some such classes also provide additional strength / toning.


HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training)

HIIT is an exercise strategy which alternates brief intervals of high intensity exercise with less-intense recovery periods. Time intervals may be equal or different and their length and the number of sets depends on fitness level.

Start with one session per week and build up to a maximum of 3 (no more).

HIIT is very time-efficient, producing the greatest fitness benefit in the least time (the advantage of hormesis). However, beginners should build up gradually, starting say with just 1 or 2 intervals.

Scientists have proved that HIIT burns more fat than steady state lower intensity exercise and speeds up the metabolism, which helps burn more calories for up to 48 hrs.

HIIT increases both aerobic and anaerobic endurance

HIIT can be applied to cardio: e.g. cycling, running, skipping, jumping, mountain climbs
or to bodyweight exercises, e.g. squatting, situps, burpees, pressups

Most gyms offer classes, e.g.
spinning, circuit training, CrossFit, Tabata, Fartlek(Fartlek = HIIT with irregular intervals)
which each use a form of interval training.
These classes require less planning and are often more enjoyable (music, socialising, equipment) than training on your own.

A typical HIIT session could consist of:
  • 4 mins warmup
  • 8 sets of intervals
  • 4 mins cooldown

and last 12-60 mins in total.

Recovery time is usually half the high intensity time.
Examples of typical interval sets are:
  • 20 seconds high intensity + 10 secs recovery OR
  • 40 sec high + 20 sec low OR
  • 60 sec high + 30 sec low


Detailed HIIT example plans: (scroll down to Workouts section and ignore whether entitled "cutting" or "bulking") BodyBuild

RESISTANCE Training / LIFTING

This helps retain muscle mass during weight loss and hence to maintain TDEE.

It is easier in a gym, especially re equipment. You can lift in the weights area on your own OR in a pump class.
Whether @ gym or home, before you start lifting, have a few lessons with a trainer to learn the correct form and avoid injury.

It is best not to train the same muscle groups 2 days in succession, so have rest days, or cardio, or train different muscle groups on different days.
Try to build up to weight training for 30-60 mins twice per week.

WARNING
The "Heavy" lifting described here should not exceed bodyweight unless you are really fit and expert.
Women who have given birth and / or are aged 40+ have a higher risk of pelvic floor / prolapse injuries when lifting heavy than young non-mums.

Main Lifting / Resistance Exercises

Reps = the number of repetitions in a set of a particular lifting exercise
Sets are normally separated by brief rests
E.g. you might do 3 sets each of 12 reps all of the same exercise.

If you have access to dumbbells / barbells, then for maximum effect, work the large muscle groups. Alternatively, use bodyweight.
squats
bent-over rows (press button "female")
Behind neckPress (press button "female")
dead lift
The abs and smaller muscle groups will automatically be trained by these exercises, but you can add optionally 20 mins weekly abs exercises:

Basic Abs
  • Situps: build up to 3 sets of 20 reps. Try to put your arms in front of you, instead of behind your head
  • Angled situps: with one ankle resting on the opposite knee. 2 sets of 15 each side
  • Plank: 3 sets, each 45 secs
  • Leg extensions: legs bent 90 degrees, so your lower legs are parallel to the floor. Stretch each leg in turn, parallel to the floor. 3 sets of 10.


Lifting To increase Strength Rather than Muscle Mass
Lift as heavy as you can, low reps, with 1 minute rest between sets
e.g. 5 sets x 5 reps each, i.e. totalling 25 lifts.

Lifting To Build More Muscle
With a lower weight, do 3 sets x 8-20 reps, i.e. totalling 24-60 lifts.

Additionally, or if you don't have heavy barbells, use your bodyweight.
Example to build up to:
  • 3 sets of 30 press ups, proper ones, see detail below +.
  • 40 deep squats, with thighs parallel to floor, i.e. ATG (Arse to Grass) see ++.
  • 3 set of 8 reps inverted pullup /row Inverted OR assisted chin-ups on a gym machine OR full chin-ups if you can manage them (Amazon have pullup bars which fit over doors from about £15)


+Press ups
  • It is best to keep attempting one proper pressup rather than doing several dozen girlie ones with your knees on the floor.
  • Once you can do one pressup, you will soon be able to build up to 5, then 10 etc.
  • Tip: keep the abs rigid, so strong abs are as important as strong shoulders & arms.


++Squats
  • Are the best exercise for the large muscle group in bum and thighs.
  • Basic principle: It is like having a pee on a public loo - get your bum down low and pointing to the rear, but not actually touching the seat.

-Lean back on your heels, so that weight is on them, not on your toes.
-For bodyweight squats, bring your arms forward
-Keep your back straight, but angled slightly forward, not vertical.
  • Go down as far as you can without knee pain.


CAUTION With Leangains-Type Protocols

5:2 is an easier WOL than other forms of IF, with most days being NFDs during which the body can recuperate.

Some women have had injuries or health problems with very tough LeanGains-type protocols, which combine ADF or daily 16:8 with fasted lifting of multiples of body weight.

Some women have achieved excellent results on LeanGains-type; others had problems after a few months, or even from the start. Particularly at risk are women with very low (11-18%) body fat, possibly already with irregular menstruation, or with EDs.

Post-menopausal women seem to do well, as do men, presumably due to differences in hormones, body fat %, metabolism.

RECOMMENDATION: Don't lift more than your bodyweight and mostly lift well below it.

Running versus Walking

Walking is beneficial psychologically, is easy on the knee joints and has some physical benefits.

However, at speeds of 5mph or faster, running will burn more calories per mile than walking Ref . Typical values:

- For running (5 mph and higher): Total calories burned per mile = .75 x body weight (in pounds); net calories (see ++) burned per mile = .63 x weight.
  • For walking (3 to 4 mph): Total calories burned per mile = .53 x body weight; net calories burned per mile = .30 x weight.


++ Note: net calories = total calories - cals the body would have burned at rest (calculated from BMR)

AVOID OSTEOPOROSIS

We start losing bone density from about age 35. Women can lose a great deal before, during and after menopause.

Other risk factors: Smoking, heavy drinking, inactive lifestyle, very slim build, family history of osteoporosis, longterm steroid use.

To retain bone strength and avoid a painfully disabled old age, start now:
Ideally weight bearing exercises that load the bone along its length

Impact exercise E.g. walking, running, jumping, skipping rope, step class, hitting a heavy punch bag.

Lifting: squats, press-ups, bench press, overhead press etc.

Squats are much better than lunges: The weight in a squat is transmitted down along the spine, through the hip, and down along the bones of the leg, whereas in a lunge, it is transmitted across the shinbone and puts pressure on the knee joint.

Cycling normally does NOT increase bone density as it does not really load bones along their length. A study found that cyclists who did no other exercise had low bone density because of the combo of this with their training Osteo

KETTLEBELLS

Useful exercise descriptions and videos: Kettle
Recommended for beginners (and shown in the link):
. Two-handed swing
. Sumo Deadlift
. Turkish Getup
. Swing
. Clean and Jerk
. Press

How to Choose a Gym (if you want to)

  • gym offpeak can be as cheap as £30 p.m. as you don't need expensive pools, sauna, juice bars, massage etc.
  • within journey time 20 mins
  • plenty of classes at times to suit you
  • creche if needed
  • don't bother with expense of a personal trainer.


Start with these classes if available:
  • weekly spin, because you can set your own resistance and speed 45-60 mins
  • any additional interval training class, see earlier for list.
  • weekly pump 60 mins
  • weekly abs class 15-30 mins


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CALCULATORS:
Estimate your fitness age: FitAge
Estimate Vo2Max iTunes App: Vo2APP
Body Fat Calculator:BF
Healthy Body Fat Percentages at Different Ages:
HealthyBF
TDEE with detailed activity times: TDEE

More links:
52FastDietForum-Fasting & Exercise 52exercise
GettingStronger.Org-Hormesis Hormesis
GettingStronger.Org-Fitness Fitness
LeanGains Protocols : Leangains
MarksDailyApple-Home Workouts Without Equipment WorkAtHome
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ErrolTheDragon · 14/03/2014 16:52

Good stuff Mazzle! Smile

thanks Tip - I don't do FB but I'll check out those youtubes. I've looked at the first few minutes of the second link, it looks like it could be quite relaxing so perhaps something to do in an evening. Thanks

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TalkinPeace · 14/03/2014 17:12
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ErrolTheDragon · 14/03/2014 17:19

You're a star, Tip. Smile

'Yogalates for long lean legs' ... that'd take a miracle in my case!Grin

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BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2014 18:40

That's great progress, Mazzle - for strength and cardio fitness.
Well done, you !

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BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2014 18:47

Errol You don't need to attend a class, if that worries you; just a one-off hour instruction with a decent trainer to i prove your form.

Abs workouts without straining the back are the sort of thing any competent trainer can teach.
Just tell the gym in advance what you have been doing, so they know your level and can prepare some suitable routines in advance.

Also, I wonder if you have been doing squats or lifts with the wrong form, as over time that can also hurt your back.

For squats:

  • keep your weight on your heels
  • point your bum to the rear


Other lifts:
  • all: don't curve or hunch your back
  • bentover row, lower back: also point bum to the rear, to keep back straight
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ErrolTheDragon · 14/03/2014 19:55

BC - how does one go about finding a competent trainer though? The gym I used to belong to they seem to do girlie classes or the show you how to use the various machines thing.

Sorry I'm an ignoramus on this sort of thing!

I think my form is ok on those things - JM stresses all those points frequently.

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BigChocFrenzy · 16/03/2014 12:48

Errol I have at least an hour PT every year to check my form and hear any new training ideas.
Also, sometimes I want several one-to-one sessions with a top-class PT to help achieve a particular aim.

Obviously, I now know the best PTs well.
However, before this, I chose my PTs by observing them in the gym and choosing the most serious and professional, who is instructing people on free weights, not machines

If you don't know the PTs at your local gym, then visit, explain what you do and what you want,
i.e. to check your form for abs and lifting, no machines, just a mat and dumbbells

Check that some gym members are lifting really heavy barbells (sadly almost certainly just men). If you don't see this, then they are not a serious gym, so go to another and ask.

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BigChocFrenzy · 16/03/2014 15:06

So, everyone:
To choose a gym, look for muscular young hunks - it's not just because they're yummy
Grin

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almostthereagain · 18/03/2014 13:18

errol I like pop pilates, I have a bad back. Search blogilates, it's yoga/strength/hitt & pilates. She is sugary sweet but good on form. And I like the short sessions that I can pick & choose, no excuse to do non but can do a full workout by doing 4 or so. Sorry don't know how to link!
Mrs F she has a good bikini workout, can't be long now til you go?

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Breadandwine · 19/03/2014 13:01

Been meaning to say - I had a cold last week and undertook no exercise (apart from clenching, of course! Grin) for 7 or 8 days.

I did one session of half-hearted HIIT on Sunday to ease myself back into it, then on Monday I went for it - and got a PB! How does that work?

Something to do with muscle memory, BC?

I'm now back fully exercising - and extended my number of sets of KB exercises to 4 every other day. I'm still not bending down as far as I used to - I don't want to bugger up my knees again, so I'll go easy in that regard for a while.

Won't be long before I up my KB weight to 5kg.

But I'm now back to skipping and jogging when the mood takes me - full of the joys of spring - especially after my 75cal fast on Monday.

I've only had 2/3rds of a piece of chocolate in the past 3 days (broke it into 9 pieces and put three back in the packet! [polishes halo]). In fact I've had nothing sweet since those Chelsea buns a few days ago.

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ErrolTheDragon · 19/03/2014 13:42

It is skippy weather even for those of us who aren't spring lambs any more! Grin

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womblesofwestminster · 19/03/2014 21:51

Question: are there any benefits that steady state cardio has over HIIT?

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BigChocFrenzy · 19/03/2014 22:36

Wombles Not for fat-burning. I would rather let the bod rest than do steady state.
However, not everyone can do HIIT, so obviously they need to do steady state.

For anyone, 30 mins walk / cycle outside in fresh air, or a gentle yoga class, is good to reduce stress.
Stress can cause the body to hang onto fat around the abs.

B&W not even a whole choc ! Shock
I consider my 90% cocoa Lindt to be health food: 20g has 120 cals, 2.8g sugar and NO milk - hey, it's vegan !
Smile
A training break can often boost performance. The bod needs a complete rest every so often.
I usually have 4 consecutive days off every couple of months, as well as my usual 1-2 weekly restdays.

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womblesofwestminster · 19/03/2014 22:39

not everyone can do HIIT

Why not?

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BigChocFrenzy · 19/03/2014 22:46

Because they are not fit enough or maybe even have a medical condition so their doc advises against.

Other folk are very fit and strong, like Tip, but have very low Blood pressure or something else that makes them feel unwell doing HIIT. So she does steady state, likes wimmong.

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BigChocFrenzy · 19/03/2014 22:47

**swimming

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Breadandwine · 20/03/2014 01:28

Thanks, BC I thought it was something along those lines.

About the chocolate - it's partly a challenge to myself, to see if I can do it. But it's also (confession time) that I've only just discovered that Lindt's Chilli choc, which I've been munching on since before Christmas, is NOT vegan (eek!). And I always read labels!

So, I've got 2.3333333 pieces of this choc left Sad, and I'm eeking it out (sorry) as long as possible.

I've been on a quest to find a Fair Trade, vegan, chilli chocolate - and I've found one online, the Bean and Seed Co, or somesuch. £6.00 odd for 200g, plus P&P. I may get that as a monthly treat - a measure of how far I've come. I've been used to that much or more a week until recently.

On the exercise front, I've now, finally, gone up to four sets of press-ups, etc, every other day - and I might, just might, get myself a 5kg kettlebell tomorrow.

I hope they've got them in pink! Grin

BTW, check out my profile for a couple of pics of Oscar.

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ErrolTheDragon · 20/03/2014 09:16

I'm thinking that 'steady state cardio' isn't a great way to exercise - but a walk or bike ride or paddling a canoe or whatever is beneficial as an end in itself rather than a means to an end IYSWIM. One of my reasons for spending time 'exercising' is so that I can do 'real' stuff like that more easily and continue to be able to do so.

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womblesofwestminster · 20/03/2014 11:46

Thanks for answering my Q BigChocFrenzy. I've been doing a class called "Body Blitz" every Wednesday night for the past few years. It consists of 15 minutes aerobics/insanity style jumping around; then 15 minutes step aerobics; then finishes with 15 minutes pump. It's all steady state. I'm not sure whether to drop out of it and focus on treadmill HIIT, or not?

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BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2014 18:24

15 mins Insanity sounds like you have a section of HIIT.
If you enjoy the class, keep it.

If not, well personally I'm not a fan of treadmills or their "HIIT programs" and it's too frantic to adjust manually all the time.
If you have countryside available, much better to do outdoor sprint intervals or skipping, so you gain fresh air benefits.
Or find a more HIIT class - martial arts, even Zumba ?

Machines for resistance training : Generally better to use dumbbells/barbells rather than the restricted movement via machines.
The only 2 machines I use are:

  • Leg-press with multiples of bodyweight, to protect knee joints
  • Pullups, as my shoulder joints need a little assistance
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MazzleDazzle · 20/03/2014 22:04

B&W, remember a while back you shared your 'hanging' technique? Though as I remember it, you've progressed to raising. Anyhow, I simply could not hang. I blamed the crappy climbing frame I was using.

Well on that same climbing frame today I managed 2 reps of 10 seconds! My kids counted for me and they did it s l o w l y ! Could have done more reps but they demanded a push on the swings.

Maybe before I'm 40 I'll finally achieve my childhood aim of crossing the monkey bars!

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Breadandwine · 20/03/2014 23:18

Hi Maz! Well done you! That's how I started, just hanging there - and then I managed to pull myself up a cm or so a few times over a 10 sec period.

Now I do 4 sets of 15 lifts - of up to 15cms - every other day, and I'm slowly finding it easier.

Pull-ups should be more doable on a climbing frame since you can use an underhand grip, whereas I can only use an overhand one. I'll be out with the grandchildren over the weekend when they come down, so I'll seek out somewhere to try it for myself.

Someone (was it you, Anglaise?) asked me if my grip had improved since doing pull-ups. I had my answer yesterday when a slip of a girl at work managed to open a jar of mincemeat which I'd had to give up on! Sad

Grin

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MazzleDazzle · 21/03/2014 08:05

I was using overhand too - never occurred to me to try otherwise! Will try underhand next time.

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BigChocFrenzy · 21/03/2014 11:50

B&W We can't let that slip of a girl beat you !

Pullups are great for shoulders, back, arms, but sounds like you need specific grip exercises, like these: ArtOfManliness , BodyBuild

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BigChocFrenzy · 21/03/2014 11:53

Overhand is the classic pullup, whereas underhand are the chin-ups which work the biceps more.
Chins are usually easier to do, also less likely to make mistakes in form.

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