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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 34 - New Year (title courtesy of B&W) Come and join us and take CONTROL! Of your weight, and of your lives.

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BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 30/12/2013 01:10

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.
The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.
By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.
You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.
WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.
MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.
TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.
NFD = Non fast day
NSV = Non scale victory
Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!
Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.
Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:
All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.
Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!
eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.
frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!
If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.
Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon - link to that programme here.
A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.
This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.
A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)
A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")
Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI. (Though anecdotal evidence from these long-running threads may suggest otherwise…)
A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.
A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!
Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this way of life!

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ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 03/01/2014 12:56

Why do I have to post hello before then going back to read the new posts? Confused.

Anyway. Slight over on the FD yesterday, would guess it was about 700 but I think that is still good considering I haven't fasted for over a week. Almost did 16 hours of no food but DD wanted to try some cheese on the deli and I forgot. Was about 15 hours. Just had a piece of my bacon and stilton bread and feel like I have ben punched between my breasts. Is that like when I get tummy problems when I eat bread? Confused.

I can't remember who said I wouldn't have put 4lbs on and according to Happy Scale I have gained 0.9lbs in 7 days, 1lb in 30 days (ie since I registered) so I shall take that as a win Grin.

Tomorrow Daily Mail has a diet book on the "5:2." I have "" it as I am not sure they have got the point when they say "diet on 2 days." This isn't a diet. It is a WOL!!

BetsyBell · 03/01/2014 13:16

Abi01 Welcome long time lurker! - go and have a look at the newly started 5:2 exercise threads www.mumsnet.com/Talk/fasting_diet/1952543-5-2-Exercise-Fitness-Advice-and-information-for-those-following-5-2-IF-Intermittent-Fasting? - all your questions will probably be answered in the OP or if not ask on the thread!

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted · 03/01/2014 13:17

Sounds like people have had some good weight loss, very impressed with everyone.

Planning fast number 2 tomorrow. I went over a bit on the last one so I need to keep within my limit this time.

MazzleDazzle · 03/01/2014 13:19

Abi01 I'd also like to know if it's better to do LOF or under 500cals if you're working out.

So far I've been taking it easy of FD. I'm not working at the moment, nor have I been exercising, but this is set to change. I go back to work in a few months and starting on Monday I'll be working out 3 mornings a week at 'Boot Camp' style classes!

MazzleDazzle · 03/01/2014 13:21

X post with Betsybell!

Will check other thread.

DontBeBlueBeARainbow · 03/01/2014 13:22

I am also a lurker since almost the first thread, dabbled a bit before but not serious enough, and this time I'm starting again hoping to follow in the footsteps of all of you (thanks for inspirational stories!).

I did my first FD yesterday, which went pretty well, although it did take me about an hour to fall asleep. I'm a runner, so planning to keep on with that as usual, though might try fitting in some HIIT to my routine.

Can I ask what SV and LSV mean? I think I'm alright with all the others! Grin

mscnile · 03/01/2014 13:26

hi all Smile its ducky/merry in a new outfit for 2014 here!

First FD of the year yesterday, went well until the evening, when I fell into a bag of nuts and had to be rescued by a bottle of wine, then some cheese and crackers... ho hum - I'd managed 20 hours up to that point, which must count for something Hmm totm can take the blame though. Aiming for TDEE today, next FD on monday when life returns to normal.

Now to catch up with everyone, old and new!

mscnile · 03/01/2014 13:32

dontbeblue
SV = scales victory
NSV = non scales victory (e.g. resisting chic; jeans too loose)

reading lots about 5:2 in the press at the moment, lots of new years resolutions around?!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 03/01/2014 13:32

Does anyone have a son going to be 5 this year? I have found a Happy 5th Birthday banner in my card box and while it has been used it is too good to just bin. If so, PM me your details and I will put it in the post for you.

BetsyBell · 03/01/2014 14:03

Hello to another lurker! dontbeblue Sometimes we talk about a lifestyle change victory - when we realise an old naughty habit has fallen by the wayside.

TalkinPeace · 03/01/2014 14:32

TiP slinks in and sneaks back out
having had a lie in rather than go to yoga, planned to fast but then the Roule needed finishing off at lunchtime
is bad TiP
will get my rapidly expanding arse back into gear next week Grin

mscnile · 03/01/2014 14:34

So glad it's not just me TIP!

DinoSnores · 03/01/2014 14:38

Managed a FD yesterday with a bit of a struggle, but I did it, so that it definitely a NSV! Jumped on the scale this morning (as I do every day) and have dropped under 67kg for the first time since DD2 so I am pleased with that.

Well done, dontbeblue, on your first FD!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 03/01/2014 14:43

TiP! Shock. I spent £180 in Waitrose this morning as haven't done a proper shop for a fortnight. I was taking out all the food in the fridge to put new stuff at the back when I came across lots of cheese use by or best before Jan 5th. I was thinking what am I going to do with all this cheese? I heard your voice saying You are not a dustbin so I figure it will have to be a meal of cheese and crackers rather than the odd piece for a snack. I have about 7 pieces of cheese, at least Shock.

BetsyBell · 03/01/2014 15:00

toffee if the cheese has been properly stored then it probably won't be bad in 2 days! I doubt you need to rush to eat it. Especially if it's been sitting in the fridge nicely wrapped all Christmas.

If it does look yucky then get rid, but otherwise use at your leisure.

wintersdawn · 03/01/2014 15:21

first ever fast day today and I was doing so well, nothing all morning and home made veg soup for 100 cals for lunch. even have a really yummy mushroom pilaf to be cooked for dinner tonight.
but I've now met the afternoon snack/ food rush that the kids have and am seriously wavering not helped by the smell of mac n cheese currently cooking for their dinner, why the hell did I decide that was a good idea Sad

DinoSnores · 03/01/2014 15:21

toffee, grate or slice the cheese and put it in the freezer then you can just use it for sauces, cheese on toast, macaroni, toppings, whatever whenever you want. It will be fine for a good few days anyway. www.britishcheese.com/facts/faqs-31

DinoSnores · 03/01/2014 15:22

winter, you can have it tomorrow. Go and make yourself a cup of tea or coffee, something hot, a good drink of water, and you WILL feel better in a few minutes. You can do it!

TalkinPeace · 03/01/2014 15:36

Hard cheeses last months - cheddar is always better a month after its sell by date !
soft cheeses once opened are rather a ticking clock
and roule is a like boursin - has to be eaten well before the sell by date in my house Wink

wintersdawn
brush your teeth, have a cuppa, drink a pint of water, all three
lots of ways to surf the hunger wave till it goes past

wintersdawn · 03/01/2014 15:53

hot drink and 10mins of stupid singing games has seen it off and worn me out!

BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 03/01/2014 16:07

Well done on the SV, Dino !
Smile
Bssh
After damaging your bits, you are understandably nervous about resuming lifting. I recommend you start:

  • HIIT cardio, say 2 weekly spin classes. If you don't belong to a gym, just add a few sprints during your walks, so you are doing intervals. You can gradually increase the number of intervals, pace, decrease rest time etc.
  • Light weights (3kg) at home / pump class until you regain confidence. Omit tougher stuff, like full press-ups, plank, jumping jacks etc for now.

Betsy
5:2 is my longterm WOL, because I find it low-stress and sustainable.
However, I see IF as a toolbox with different gadgets to suit different people, or special circumstances / times for the same person.

So, over the hols, I used a form of ADF to achieve SWATH (Same Weight After The Holidays) - I did mostly alternate mini-FDs rather than 500 FDs.

And I did manage SWATH, 1st time ever ! ^^

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MrsFlorrick · 03/01/2014 17:48

Kitchen closed on my FD Grin just under 600 cals. But I did also do Level 4 of JM Ripped in 30 so that's how I justify going over 500 Wink

I LOF until 5:15pm and I just had roast plaice and broccoli cauliflower with a small drizzle of cheese sauce. Full now.

I certainly SWATH. Grin Funny. It's made me very happy despite my long stall. At least not gaining over Xmas is a SV of sort.

Bigchoc. I am very interested in your posts re IF and HIIT and ageing.

Turkey (((hugs)))) welcome back!! Missed you! Grin

Toffee. That's a Waittose shop and a half. Easily done. That said I can easily do that if I'm not careful.

Not2bObvious · 03/01/2014 18:13

Toffee it was me who said you hadn't gained 4 lbs, and I love it when I'm right Grin Delighted for you.
Me in the other hand am up 6.6 in the last monthSad Probably 3'ish over Xmas week and 3 in the lead up. Ah well never mind, managed my 24 Lof yesterday followed by 500 which pretty much totalled 42 hours on 500 cals. Wasn't too hard but had the worst sleep ever as now I've come down with the cold the rest of them had. Feck it anyway. Sent dh out with dd's as quite frankly I'm close to screaming, they are wrecking my head. Roll on back to school.
Anywho nfd today and I plan to enjoy, happy Friday y'allWink

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 03/01/2014 18:14

Well that FD didn't go to plan. I did really well until 2 then I had my lunch, then DD1 reminded me that I promised we would do some baking. I did plan to be good, but I made too much chocolate butter cream so finished the bowl Blush.

Oh well I did say I would start properly once I was at work. Next week will be so much easier.

It's still a 16:8 so could be worse.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 03/01/2014 18:39

Thanks everyone for the cheese advice. I have mostly hard cheeses so I think they will be okay for longer. If I chicken out I will grate it all and freeze for cheese sauces. Will make for interesting flavoured onesGrin.

It really was, MrsF. Purely because I haven't been for a fortnight and tbh with some things I did buy more than I needed for a week (i.e 2 packs of sausages, 2 packs of mince where we would eat only one pack in a week) but I have an obsession problem with people going hungry and it was 3 packs of meat/fish for !£10 so thought I would take advantage.

Not2BeObvious Grin. Happy to oblige. Still feel like I have put weight on though iirc my lowest weight was 11 stone 3lbs and I am currently 11 stone 5lbs so not too bad at all. Well done on your 24 hours fast. I haven't been able to do that yet. How was it?

I am thinking whether to do 4:3 next week as a catch up. 2 doesn't seem enough reallyConfused.