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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 Diet Thread number 18! Breaking out the summer wardrobe?

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GreenEggsAndNichts · 22/04/2013 10:51

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has recently unveiled a new website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
Bramblesinafield · 27/04/2013 20:11

Barbie one, opposite effect for me but on non fast days I hav slots of orange juice and fruit.

Lots of passing water though,

fluffypillow · 27/04/2013 20:21

Happy Birthday ceebee and married Thanks

deckswabber we've started at the same time Smile My first fasts were Tuesday and Thursday. I know how hard it is watching the children tuck into their food when you are fasting. I want to make my house a 'food free zone' on my fast days Grin
Well done for the walking and swimming. Exercise is next on my list of 'things I really must do' Blush

ceebeegeebies · 27/04/2013 20:23

Bsssh - thanks for that Smile very inspiring stats. I WILL reach my goal...

Barbie - I too have the opposite problem and have become bunged up since starting this diet!!

Forgot to say that my birthday has been slightly tarred by PMT Sad I don't suffer very often but, by god, I have today!! I had a complete tantrum at DH this morning and then was really on edge until mid afternoon - I could happily have hit the woman at the cafe counter at lunch who seemed to be taking forever to serve Wink

Hopefully my period will make an appearance soon!!!

fluffypillow · 27/04/2013 20:24

Wow ceebee that's amazing. You must feel really great. Well done. Smile

fluffypillow · 27/04/2013 20:27

Blush whoops! didn't read that properly

Well done bsssh

ceebeegeebies · 27/04/2013 20:46

Ha ha Fluffy, just had to re-read my message to see what I had done Wink

Twinmama32 · 27/04/2013 21:32

I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on the 30 day shred DVD. I'm thinking of getting it and I know some of you have mentioned it.
I've never been a DVD fitness person before but quite frankly I can see now my previous approach to my wol was all wrong so I want to try something new. My question is will it really male a difference to someone who has very little fitness, and is it even remotely doable?!

I truly need some motivation despite a stone in weight lost in around 10 weeks I can feel myself slipping back to my old ways and I'm scaring myself a little. I really believe in this wol but for some reason I'm already getting complacent and I've still at least two stone to go...

Argh help!

MelanieCheeks · 27/04/2013 21:40

30 Day Shred has a number of plus points - it's only 20 minutes, you only do each move for about a minute, and there's a next level to look forward to. And you can find it on YouTube.

Negative points - JM can get a bit annoying, there's always at least ONE move that is a pain, and you need weights that you can lean on (ie makeshift water bottles won't do).

I think it's fairly easy for beginners, but you dont need to buy the DVD, just find it on YouTube.

Twinmama32 · 27/04/2013 22:19

Thanks melanie I've just had a look on YouTube, it's looks right up my street Monday is going to be day 1! Fingers crossed by beginning of June ill look like jillian! Wink

MeNeedShoes · 28/04/2013 00:19

Marking place. I have been planning to start this diet / WOE for ages but can't quite psyche myself up. Any tips for tackling the first fast? Would really like to start this Monday. Am still part BFing DD but only about 3 feeds a day.

Any tips for preparing for first fast? Planning to not eat until lunch, have 2 scrambled eggs and a slice of ham then have chicken and veg stirfry for tea? Does that sound about right?

Toofattooold · 28/04/2013 07:35

twinmama I have been using 30 day shred for the last two weeks. I find it great as I have 2 young children so 20 minutes is short enough to be able to fit in everyday. I find the DVD quite difficult - particularly each time I move up a level. There are modified versions of most of the exercises though. I am doing it along with 5-2. In the last three weeks I've lost 3lb. Slow progress but I can see my shape changing. I would recommend it!

MelanieCheeks · 28/04/2013 07:43

MeNeedShoes, I'd be a bit wary of fasting while you're still BFing.

But tips for first day(s) - get through them whatever way works for you. Have lots of liquids on hand - you usually get a lot of liquid intake via foods, so that needs replaced. Variety is good - water, add mint or lemon or ginger, herbal teas, marmite/oxo/bouillon, black or green tea or coffee. You can have milk in them if you like, just make sure you count the calories.

Plan ahead - you've already done that, and your menu for the day sounds lovely!

BsshBossh · 28/04/2013 07:46

Welcome Shoes, you sound like you're on the right track already. I find fasting days go well when I pre-plan them and when I drink gallons of water. What also helps me get through them is, when tempted to eat, to say to myself "I can eat that tomorrow".

wonderingagain · 28/04/2013 09:02

Wow just weighed myself and really sorry if it sounds like boasting but I have lost 10lbs since I started on Tuesday!

It is definitely a great diet for people with a lot to lose. It doesn't seem to work so well on those losing a few pounds though.

wonderingagain · 28/04/2013 09:12

Bshhhboshh thank you for sharing your stats, that's truly inspirational! I have a goal of 10.7 and now have 2.10 to lose.

I do think that this woe is great for me. Calorie counting every day is soul destroying. Every other day I can manage.

akarucker · 28/04/2013 09:32

wonderingagain WOW! Envy Envy Envy

wonderingagain · 28/04/2013 09:44

It always happens with me but I started very high - most of what I've lost is what I've been carrying round in my sytem. I am also doing ADF rather than 5:2 simply because it's more practical for me (I would forget my on/off days - this way I know that if I calorie count yesterday, I should be today).

Got that 'feeling cold' thing yesterday - what's that all about?

swallowedAfly · 28/04/2013 10:13

well done wondering that is a great start! must admit i am jealous Grin

took everyone's advice and had my 500 cals last night and managed to stick to them. i'm down under the 11 again but must say i don't trust it with the way things have been going. 10.12.4 today but i think that's an exaggerated loss because i had to take laxatives yesterday and they give a temporary drop in weight due to water loss i think.

can't fast tomorrow as i'm taking a group on a trip and we're being given lunch. am going to make today a very 'light' day in the hopes of it not all bouncing back on again.

good luck to those fasting today. looks like i'll be doing tuesday so hope i won't be the only one as most fast monday iirc.

wonderingagain · 28/04/2013 10:27

I'd love to be your weight SAF, I was there for most of my pre-dcs years and complained about it, wanted to be 9.7 like I was when I was 18! The good thing about this diet is it gets you to what your natural balance is because your body is able to tell you how much food you need - you learn to listen to your body again.

DeckSwabber · 28/04/2013 10:30

Well, amazing result here. I'm more interested in the health benefits than weight loss but I did want to get the other side of 10 stone having hovered around the 10.5 mark most of the year. Weighed in at 9 stone 13 this morning, having fasted on Tuesday and Friday. That hasn't happened for a long, long time.

The real difference is that I opened a bottle of wine yesterday and really didn't fancy it. THIS IS UNHEARD OF.

catsrus · 28/04/2013 10:35

Don't crumble SaF ! You CAN do this - I'm off out to drop off the now-much-too-large size 14 clothes at the charity shop Grin

I'm in a pretty stable 10 bottom, 12 top in most makes now, the only larger things I'm keeping are those that look good big and baggy!

I'm not quite brave enough to ditch the size 12 jeans yet - getting there Smile

wonderingagain · 28/04/2013 10:37

Regarding health benefits, I definitely think it does something for my brain - when I'm fasting I'm quite lucid and thinking creatively. Not always hepful but I certainly notice the difference. The other thing is that I feel colder, temporarily for a few hours. I wonder if that's physiological?

wonderingagain · 28/04/2013 10:39

catsrus well done. What weight do you have to be nowadays to fit into a 12?

akarucker · 28/04/2013 10:41

wondering the feeling cold is quite a common side effect. Don't know why, but it does get better after a while.

wonderingagain · 28/04/2013 10:51

I'm hoping it means that your body is using energy in different way - burning fat perhaps?

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