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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 Diet Thread number 18! Breaking out the summer wardrobe?

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GreenEggsAndNichts · 22/04/2013 10:51

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has recently unveiled a new website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
akarucker · 27/04/2013 12:48

OK saf come on, let's not end the week badly. There's still today to redeem ourselves. The family are tucking into tuna & cheese toasties as I sit here in the other room pouting! But, we're meeting friends for a Sunday roast tomorrow so must do this today! Stick with me...

Southeastdweller · 27/04/2013 12:55

Fasting today too, had a big breakfast this morning and two and a half hours into a 24 hour fast - looking forward to my usual bucket of filter coffee and scrambled eggs with rye bread tomorrow in bed followed quickly by a creme egg while I watch Hollyoaks!

Currently hiking around north London and stopped off in a Starbucks to have a black coffee which I usually don't like but it's been OK. A well known female barrister and broadcaster is also in here - I'll probably get into trouble if I name her but let's just say that the photos in the papers don't do her any favours.

Lots of walking planned today as well as my usual Saturday gym session and will probably go to bed early.

Good luck everyone who's fasting this weekend.

peplum41 · 27/04/2013 13:00

Ah come on sulky saf and pouty aka, you can do this. Its not a race, a few weeks of stalling will happen now and again. Just need to power through the bad bits aswell as the good bits. Remember the mantras and coping mechanisms that got you through previous fasts. Glad to hear you gave 5;2 a bash aka, maybe it needs a few weeks to settle into it, but when you're ready.

deckswabber, yeah green tea is weird, an aquired taste.

virginposter · 27/04/2013 13:05

peplum, LexiBear I have found Merchant Gourmet Put Lentils, ready to eat in 1 minute which I sometimes use to bulk up, say a M&S ready meal. It's a 250g pack at 171 cals for 125g which I find filling and tasty. Can be found in most supermarkets and are very handy for quickness Smile

peplum41 · 27/04/2013 13:06

southeastdweller well that sounds like an interesting fast day. Better than a pile of ironing and a grubby kitchen floor. OOh, going to google your barrister/broadcaster. The most famous person Ive ever seen was Hilda Ogden, some brookside actors and some footy players that dh recognised but I didnt know who they were!

peplum41 · 27/04/2013 13:12

virginposter now they are the lentil. Good idea to have a packet in. Will get some next time in sainsbo

swallowedAfly · 27/04/2013 13:25

the trouble is their is bugger all for me and ds to do today that doesn't involve eating or drinking.

swallowedAfly · 27/04/2013 13:45

so far i've done a lot of ironing. i don't know why i've piled weight on this week or why it's so hard to fast to remedy it. i suspect i may have lost faith that fasting is working.

swallowedAfly · 27/04/2013 13:45

i know people say think of the health benefits you're still getting but i must be honest i am doing this for the weight loss and the health benefits are a happy side effect rather than vice versa.

MelanieCheeks · 27/04/2013 14:29

The pullout in today's Times has 10 recipes, interesting sounding some of them are!

Fragrant Pho (48 cals)
Poached eggs with spinach and portobello (124 with 1 egg)
Skewered monkfish with balsamic coleslaw (226)
Chicken puttanesca (247)
White fish stew (268)
Red Lentil Tikka masala with barley roti (386)
Shakshouka (178) (bit like Nigella's eggs in tomato sauce)
Meatballs with cavolo nero (264) I think that's a dark cabbage
Salmon with baked veg (300)
Beetroot and bramley soup (116)

Hmmm, off to plan next week's fasts Biscuit

swallowedAfly · 27/04/2013 14:36

shakshouka is the thing of nightmares for me. i used to live in egypt, can't stand tomatoes, and would often get served it by people when i was visiting. many things i can eat to be polite but not that.

i would love a recipe for a good fish stew that doesn't involve tomatoes if anyone finds one.

ELR · 27/04/2013 16:15

swallowed I've a a bad week too with a 2.25lb gain even though I fasted twice as usual and haven't over eaten. Think we are about same on time if month too and was thinking must be due soon but it's still over a week away!! Stay positive and think of all the weight you have lost so far instead of how much you haven't lost this week. Failing that have a big fat G&T and start a fresh on Monday. I have decided not to weigh now until next Friday so I don't see the gains and get negative!

swallowedAfly · 27/04/2013 17:07

sorry to hear you've gained too elr - and yes same here - just over a week to go. trying to fast today but a G&T and forgetting it till monday sounds so blumming tempting at the minute. haven't had any cals so far and am trying to aim for none at all today. at the minute it's 50/50 whether i do a 36hr fast or whether i just blow the whole thing off and ending up eating more than a normal day.

grumpy! sorry Grin

akarucker · 27/04/2013 17:18

I've had nothing so far, but just taken a gammon out of the oven, so I think a big plate of that with a salad should end the fast nicely soon.

akarucker · 27/04/2013 17:29

BTW, to new fasters who are struggling to go longer before breaking their fast, two months ago there was NO WAY I could even make it until mid morning without eating. Now, I can make it until about 6 with no problems. As I find that eating kick starts the hunger monster inside me, this is now a huge benefit because there are fewer hours left in the day to want to keep eating...

DeckSwabber · 27/04/2013 17:53

I eat porridge for breakfast because my GP has recommended it to keep cholesterol down (seems to work), and because I don't want to be hungry at work. If I'm hungry in the evening I can always distract myself, but at work my colleagues eat all day - chocolate and cake or delicious smelling hot savoury food. It would drive me crazy to be hungry with that going on!

headintheclouds · 27/04/2013 18:00

swallowed dont be grumpy... why do you have to do a 36 hour fast or blow it and eat more than normal..You havent had any cals yet so why dont you just stick to a 500 evening meal and meet your naughty voice in your head halfway. You can do it and have your G&T tomorrow..WI tomorrow and Ill bet you'll have lost.
Its so frustrating when the scales dont do what you want isnt it? but after a 3 week stall and not bloody giving in( said through gritted teeth) i was rewarded with a loss this week.

swallowedAfly · 27/04/2013 18:13

gammon sounds lovely aka.

head - i feel like if i eat i won't be able to stop so might be better off just not eating iyswim.

BsshBossh · 27/04/2013 18:14

saf I agree with head. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. This weight loss gig is all about calm consistency. Last year I had a 4 month stall bouncing up and down the same bloody 168lb mark before it started going down again; then this year I had a 3 week stall but I got to goal eventually. You just have to trust it's working and keep doing the same thing day in day out. IMHO obviously.

Dotty342kids · 27/04/2013 18:22

wow BssBossh that's one heck of a long stall you had last year. I really admire your patience in sticking with it! And well done for keeping at it. Any woe I think will have it's ebbs and flows with weight loss and plateaus and it's easy to feel disheartened, even with the best of intentions.
STick at it though SAF, we're all here with you Smile

akarucker · 27/04/2013 18:23

Mmmm, what a delicious 500 calorie meal I just had: gammon, peas, red cabbage, oven chips (100g of each!). So glad I fasted today because I'm quite satisfied and think I can manage the evening without being hungry. saf if it's really all or nothing today, then keep going with nothing. You're almost there, no point in ruining it now.

BsshBossh · 27/04/2013 19:10

Dotty it was less patience (I'm quite an impatient person generally) and more determination. I'd started at 210lbs and getting to 168lbs felt terrific, even if I was stalled at that weight, but I carried on eating at a (slight) calorie deficit because I had faith that was the way to do it in the longterm. 5:2 gives a deficit too. It's what it's all about for me.

ceebeegeebies · 27/04/2013 19:52

Married - happy birthday to you too Smile

Have had a lovely day with a day out with the DC and a 3 course meal for tea - with wine of course Grin

Bsssh - wow you have lost lots of weight! How long has it taken you? I am about 200 lbs now and am aiming for about 160 lbs (I am tall so even though that weight probably sounds heavy to most of you that weight suits me). I am realistic enough to know that it is unlikely to happen before my hols at the end of august but if I have made decent inroads before then I will be happy.

Barbie1 · 27/04/2013 19:52

Argghhhh!

Ladies I um....have a slightly delicate question Blush

I know some of you aren't fasting today so I don't want to put you off your food so could anyone point me to info regarding side effects of the diet so I hopefully can find my answer before posting and embarrassing myself?

Put it this way, ill be losing loads of weigh if this carries on Grin

Back to catch up soon.

BsshBossh · 27/04/2013 20:05

ceebeegeebues here are my stats (summary):

Feb 2012 - 210lbs
Start eating at 10-15% under my TDEE daily, no exercise
Sept 2012 - 168lbs
Long long stall but still eat at 10-15% under, feel great and still eating loads (around 1800 cals) so not unduly bothered with stall
Christmas 2012 - lose 2lbs, finally! No idea why though!
Feb 2013 start 5:2 because bored of daily calorie counting, start exercise
April 2013 - 145lbs GOAL