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C25K

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Otistheowl · 01/04/2018 17:12

I'm a complete beginnen, starting tomorrow, anyone want to join me?
The goal is fitness, although weight loss would be an added bonus.
I've a young family so time and motivation are my biggest obstacles but am determined.
Join me!

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PetraDelphiki · 13/09/2018 10:37

W5r3... wondering if I need to be trying a bit harder as it really felt easy at the speed I was going...how tired should you be at the end of a session? On a scale of could keep going for hours to collapse in a heap and can’t even walk back to the car?

slowrun · 13/09/2018 10:52

Petra, that's what a lot of people, including myself have been saying about Niko Niko. There are different theories regarding how hard to run. Some people monitor their heart rate to achieve a particular 'exercise zone'. Here is some theory:

www.championseverywhere.com/niko-niko-pace-gentle-path-success/

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slowrun · 13/09/2018 10:53

I meant to put a Grinemoji in after that. We like it being easy over on the Niko thread!

slowrun · 13/09/2018 10:55

Sorry should have left more space between the links:

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www.championseverywhere.com/niko-niko-pace-gentle-path-success/

slowrun · 13/09/2018 10:56

Wired my app does not seem to leave the spaces.

www.championseverywhere.com/niko-niko-pace-gentle-path-success/

slowrun · 13/09/2018 10:57

And here:

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FATEdestiny · 13/09/2018 13:31

wondering if I need to be trying a bit harder as it really felt easy at the speed I was going...how tired should you be at the end of a session?

The first question to ask yourself is: are you actually running or just fast walking? There is a fine line between slow running and brisk walking.

Because the purpose of C25K is to teach you to run. Brisk walking has its own health benefits but it is not the purpose of C25K so if you are not actually running then why not just have a half hour brisk walk and leave it at that?

Assuming you are actually running, the next question to ask yourself is: Why are you running? and all runners will answer this differently so there is no one size fits all.

● Are you doing C25K just for the kudos of being able to say you've done it and are unlikely to run again? In which case it doesn't much matter your pace

● Are you doing C25K to lose weight only. In which case calorie burn is likely to be higher for a run that is slower but over a longer time.

Don't confuse this with 'a slow run burns more calories', it doesnt. Running for a longer time burns more calories. To cover the same distance at a slower pace means running for longer. For example cover 5km at a fast pace might take you 30 mins at a rate of 10 cal/min = 300 calories burnt. Cover the same 5km at a slower pace your calorie burn rate might only be 8 cal/min, but if it takes you 45 min = 360 calories burnt.

Also worth noting that 60 calories is next to nothing in the grand scheme of things, so actually makes only a teeny difference

● Are you doing C25K for your heart health?

British Heart Foundation and the NHS use the terms "moderate exercise" and "vigerous exercise" and advise 150 mins per week moderate exercise or 75 mins vigerous exercise, with NHS advice that vigerous is better than moderate. These are the definitions:

  • Moderate activity will raise your heart rate, andmake you breathe faster and feel warmer.
  • Vigorous activity makesyou breathe hard and fast. If you're working at this level, you won't be able to say more than a few words without pausing for breath.

Your post would suggest your pace of moderate exercise. So you should be doing at least 150 mins per week at this pace (30 mins 5 times a week). NHS say evidence suggests vigerous exercise is better. So if you're doing this for your heart health then pushing your pace so "you're working at this level, you won't be able to say more than a few words without pausing for breath" might be a good idea.

● Are you running to challenge yourself you run further or for longer? You are likely to run further and for longer at a slower pace.

● Are you running to challenge yourself to reach the "good for age" time? The first step involves learning to push yourself faster.

● Are you just running for fun and fresh air? Your pace and time are therefore irrelevant.

●○● And not forgetting that people's reasons for running will
(a) change over time and
(b) be a mixture of all or several reasons above, not just one
(c) could be completely different reasons that I haven't thought of!

eatyourveg · 13/09/2018 15:05

Thought I might find a thread here. Just done W4r3 but didn't save it and will do it again on saturday because the jump frm W3 to W4 was massive and I was almost falling over by the end of it so am doing 4 runs each stage.

My concern is that I go so slowly - will I actually be running 5k by the end of week 9? Have entered a 5k walk/run for mid w7 as an incentive not to give up and am thinking I might put the app on to help get me round. Will I need to put something like W4 on repeat as I won't have got to W9 by then? No idea how far each week is. Does the app tell you somewhere?

PetraDelphiki · 13/09/2018 15:40

Definitely running (very niko Niko style)...fitness and weight loss pre skiing really!

I think I’m planning to move my effort up a little so that I can complete each run without wanting to die but also without thinking that was easy - that’s the level I work at when skiing....

PetraDelphiki · 13/09/2018 15:41

Btw fate are you in the fitness industry? You are very knowledgeable and helpful - thank you!

DropZoneOne · 13/09/2018 16:10

@eatyourveg

How far you run each week depends on an individual pace. The app/programme is a bit of a misnomer, because it will take you from no running to running for 30 minutes. At no point does the NHS app instruct on pace, other than to suggest if you are struggling slow down, and if it's easy push a bit harder!

In week 7, I introduced distance tracking, out of nosiness, and was running for 3.5k. With warm up and cool down, I knew I'd be covering 5k by the end but not running 5k in 30 minutes. So I could cover 5k in 40 minutes which felt a good point to improve from.

By the end of week 7 though, I'd got a steady pace and was able to keep running through the cool down to get to 4k, and by the end of week 8 I could run 5k (not in 30 minutes, it was around 37/38).

If it were me, I'd stick on the app for wherever you are up to, with some music, and just set off. Keep running at a steady pace through the cool down, which is then 30 minutes running. If you feel good, just keep going at that pace, or slow it down a bit if you need to - but you'll be nearly there!

Alicatz66 · 13/09/2018 16:17

I'm going to do W7R2 when I get home .... run 1 went well so I'm going to blast the music and hope for the best. I'm beginning to understand sometimes you just have a bad run and not to quit.. at least it's cool .. I hate running in the heat

eatyourveg · 13/09/2018 16:28

Thanks Dropzone No idea how to put music on my phone (technophobe) nor a distance tracker. Will ask the dc if they can sort something.

I usually run with a friend but she can't always make it so ds3 who is doing sport science at uni has been coming along for encouragement (apparently I need to work on my breathing and keep my head up more) Wink He goes back soon so having the music would be useful although I can't keep ear phones on and so always have Laura on loud speaker as I go round. Not sure music would go down very well with the dog walkers where I run Grin Does the music stop when Laura talks or does she talk over it?

Alicatz66 · 13/09/2018 19:36

Set out for W7R2.... carried on and did my first 5k !!! Took me 39.29 but I'm proud of myself !!

RocketPockets · 13/09/2018 19:44

I haven't been on in so long!! I graduated C25K on 5th June and today I ran 10 Miles which is 16.1km! I've got my half marathon in 3.5 weeks and am now feeling ready for it and looking forward to it!
It's so good to still see this going and more people taking it up. C25K is such a good programme to follow to get you up and running I could not recommend it highly enough 😊

DropZoneOne · 13/09/2018 23:26

eat do you have spotify? I use that, set it going then start the app - the music goes quieter when Laura is talking.

I have mapmyrun as the distance tracker. I was using my fitbit but it stopped tracking accurately just as I hit the longer distances!

eatyourveg · 14/09/2018 15:56

I have a playlist on spotify on the desktop - presumably I can access it via the phone then. Will get ds to show me how to do it. Thanks for the tip DropZone

FATEdestiny · 14/09/2018 18:52

Set out for W7R2.... carried on and did my first 5k !!! Took me 39.29 but I'm proud of myself !!

Wow, well done Alicatz66. Under 40 minutes is a respectable time first your first 5k run, you're right to be proud of yourself.

daphine2004 · 14/09/2018 22:04

@fatedestiny I am going to do my first one tomorrow morning. I say this all the time, but really want to.

I have lost my nerve in the past as I used to be so fit and healthy, but after having DD it’s been so hard having the energy and time, plus confidence. Baby steps.

PetraDelphiki · 15/09/2018 15:54

How was it daphine? I did w6r1 today at a slightly faster pace but was still doable...it does get easier I promise!

PhannyMcNee · 15/09/2018 19:39

How did you get on Daphine?

Just go for it - honestly! I'm a 44 year old, 16+ stone mum of 4 with all the grace of a hippo. It is easier in the dark but actually I don't care and smile/say hello to everyone I pass and let them judge away Grin

I'm a day late on W1R3 but have just come in from doing it. Dh came with me and jogged alongside - he struggles with alternating the walk/run.

I have found it fab although a little frustrating as I could push myself more I think but I'm sticking with the programme Smile

Week 2 starts Monday Star

daphine2004 · 16/09/2018 00:14

Hey @PhannyMcNee and @petradelphiki I did go!

I am really struggling to get the confidence to do it.

Going to try again in the morning.

PetraDelphiki · 16/09/2018 08:13

daphine I know it’s hard - I constantly feel like the fat girl at the back of the class when I’m running...worst was when I accidentally picked the same time and route as a 10k race!!! But just remember you are doing more than you would by not doing it and it does get easier!

Also borrow a small dog who can’t run very fast and then if anyone does say anything there’s your excuse! Ddog really not impressed if I go much above walking speed...

FATEdestiny · 16/09/2018 11:02

@daphine2004, have you got any quiet paths or off road walks locally? A website called openmaps is great for finding little known paths and walks.

I didn't have the confidence to be seen running when I first started. But I found a local bridal path to run, so I was far less "visible" when learning to run.

Make sure you have the NHS C25K or podcast, from the NHS website. Because there are lots of copies but the official app give the best training and coaching tips to teach you how to most effectively run.

@PetraDelphiki, if you're increasing your speed slightly it's worth mentioning that there are two ways to do that. One is stride length and the other is leg turnover.

If you shift from the niko niko slow run to a more traditional running style one thing that will happen is your stride will automatically lengthen - you stretch your leading leg forward more with each step. That means you won't need to make your leg turnover any faster to cover a longer distance, you can keep your steps-per-minute the same but move further in the same number of steps. It increases your speed without using too much extra energy.

@PhannyMcNee fantastic progress. You'll smash Week 2 I am sure. Trust the program!

PetraDelphiki · 16/09/2018 11:24

Thanks fate

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