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C25K

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Otistheowl · 01/04/2018 17:12

I'm a complete beginnen, starting tomorrow, anyone want to join me?
The goal is fitness, although weight loss would be an added bonus.
I've a young family so time and motivation are my biggest obstacles but am determined.
Join me!

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FATEdestiny · 01/08/2018 08:12

UndertheCedartree - you will definitely be going too fast in your runs. The single, most important thing in C25K is to finish every run section in full. How fast or far you go is completely irreverent.

So it doesn't matter if it's a very, very slow shuffling hippo (like PetraDelphiki Grin) - finishing every interval is what matters. Best to start off the first few 60 second runs ridiculously slow, to ensure you manage all 8 intervals.

Don't worry about it though. Just re-do Week 1 Run 1, much slower. It can be tricky for some people to run with others, because everyone has a slightly different pace they are best at. You definitely won't have the same pace as your 11 year old (you wouldn't have the same pace as anyone) so if you run together you both need to agree to match the slowest persons pace. I can't run with other people for this reason, I like to be able to go faster/slower depending how I'm feeling on that particular day. But lots of other people for C25K as part of a group, so it's definitely doable.

FATEdestiny · 01/08/2018 08:26

Sore ankles and shins tho -any suggestions?

It could be just lack of fitness.

Make sure your trainers fit properly, especially the toe box because your toes spread out more when running compared to walking. I go up a whole shoe size gorgeous trainers for this reason, but ensure they aren't lose around ankle when tied. You don't need expensive trainers at this point. Just ones that fit well.

After that, I think it'll just be fitness. At so soon into starting running, you won't have injured or hurt yourself just from running C25K Week 1-4 type distances.

Do you listen to the C25K NHS Podcasts or app? Because you get basic bits of training throughout the program that will help you develop good running form to avoid injury.

Try not to slam your foot down flat when running - that will send shocks up your shins and ankles. You want to land lightly and that's best done with a 'rounded' foot fall.

Imagine you are riding a bike and your feet are doing a similar movement to when on the pedals. Bend knee, raise foot and move it forward through the air, put foot down in a rounded motion (heel down to flat to toes only down) then push off your toes you move forward.

Look ahead and stand tall. Try not to 'bounce' up and down with your head and shoulders. Feet should land below your hips, don't stretch too far in your strides. Make sure you land on the middle of your foot, not to the left or right.

UndertheCedartree · 01/08/2018 09:33

Thanks, Fate - will give that a go on the next run. I probably was trying to keep up with my DS!

DropZoneOne · 01/08/2018 21:40

W7R1 done and I feel fantastic! I started off thinking, when will I feel like this lark is easy, and half way through I suddenly thought gosh I'm speeding up a bit, nothing is hurting and I can finish this!

I've rewarded myself with pizza and wine 😄

Cedar my 10 year old DD came out with me on Saturday for a walk, and we did a small jog at the end. She laughed at how slow I went! Start slow, you can always speed up towards the end if you feel able. Hope your next run goes well.

PetraDelphiki · 02/08/2018 09:52

W1r2 today...at least the first 3/4 run bits felt almost like running rather than shuffling...just irritating to have to keep stopping for dog to pee!

FATEdestiny · 02/08/2018 10:07

I run with my dog PetraDelphiki, we learnt to run together through C25K too.

I found that with time, my dog got more routined (for want of a better word) with her toilet breaks. I think it helped that we always went at the same time and we went every day.

After a while, my dog would always do her poo within the first few minutes of being out. This was almost always within my warm-up walk, so doesnt affect my proper run. Her wee is often 5 or so minutes later so thar often does need a pause in my running. But at least a wee is a quick pause that doesn't require me to clean up.

PetraDelphiki · 02/08/2018 11:41

I have a boy dog who seems to want to pee on everything! Plus he’s very small so I suspect if I make it into later weeks I’ll be leaving him behind!

Alicatz66 · 02/08/2018 11:54

Week 3 Run 3 for me tonight ! I feel quite proud !!

FATEdestiny · 03/08/2018 23:21

Well done Alicatz66, week 4 next week!

I did a 10k run today, first time in a few weeks because of the summer hols (so my children are off, hence less time to run). Took the dog with me, she's also not run long distance in a while due to the heat. We both coped really well and enjoyed it!

Life after C25K. I graduated from the program at the end of April.

Alicatz66 · 04/08/2018 08:12

FATEdestiny I'm en route to Cornwall but have packed my running stuff !!! Week 4 starts Monday !

PetraDelphiki · 04/08/2018 09:41

W1r3 done...away now until Thursday so will prob have to redo w1 when I get back. Could have sworn this is supposed to get easier!!!

FATEdestiny · 04/08/2018 14:21

You probably won't need to repeat week 1 PetraDelphiki. The jump to week 2 isn't all that big. You may not think you can do it, but I bet you will be able to. It's about trusting the program and giving it a go.

it doesn't get easy until you move on and look back. For example you won't find Week 2 easy but by the end of it you'll look back at Week 1 and realise that actually, running for only 60 seconds is quite easy.

It's the same all the way through. You won't find any of the weeks easy, at all. But you'll look back at what you were going 2 or 3 weeks previously and realise that you now find that really easy. I guarentee you that if you carry on with the C25K program, in a months time you will find running for 60 seconds very easy.

PetraDelphiki · 04/08/2018 18:05

I hope so....

DropZoneOne · 04/08/2018 21:46

I got overconfident 😫 W7R2 was hard, even though I've run 25 minutes twice before. I finished it, and ran slightly further than before, but I was finding it hard.

I think I'm a bit flat footed, I tried concentrating on how I was landing towards the end so that needs to be my focus next time.

I've signed up for a virtual run too - if I do 5k before the end of August I get a pretty medal Grin The 25 mins is getting to me 3.5k, so I think I can get there.

FATEdestiny · 04/08/2018 22:01

That's about the same as my pace when finishing C25K DropZoneOne. When running 30 minutes I was covering 5k if you included the warm up and cool down walks - it was 0.5k walk (5 mins) 4k run (30 mins) and 0.5k run (5 mins). It's not a bad pace.

Focusing on foot placement is always a good thing though.

I had a shitty run today. It will always happen and often doesn't mean or signify anything. So don't worry about it just put it behind you. W7R3 will no doubt be better.

My husband ran W1R1 today. After months and months of telling me running "wasn't his thing", he went out for a walk this afternoon and came back proud as punch to say he'd just completed W1R1 with Michael Johnson talking him through it. And that he intends to keep going.

I'm dead proud of him. That first run is psychology the hardest.

DropZoneOne · 04/08/2018 22:42

Well done to Mr FATE Grin

It's such a good programme, and I'm still amazed at how your fitness can improve so gradually you don't really notice until you hear the trainer (or Jo Whiley in my case) remind you how far you've come.

JessicaJoans · 05/08/2018 11:13

Just in case anyone is in any doubt - this works! - I graduated today, just did Wk9 Run 3 this morning, having never run in my life before starting C25k. It’s been a life changer for me. Trust the programme, it’s so much more about the mental process than the physical. You CAN do it. I’m not close to 5k in 30mins but I don’t care, I want to work on the distance and do a parkrun next. Good luck to anyone doing it or considering it. Go slow, but get out there. You won’t regret it.

DropZoneOne · 05/08/2018 11:21

Jessica fantastic

It's so nice to hear from those who've made it to the end, good luck for your parkrun

AvonCallingBarksdale · 06/08/2018 11:49

Hi, all. Just popping back to say that after graduating from C25K in June, I've now done 7 Parkruns on the trot. First one I did in 36.20 and have gradually got faster each time, so on Saturday I finished in 33.15. My aim is to get down to sub30 by the end of the year. I've kept up with 2X 2.5K runs midweek, when I do some interval training, which is really hard, but does seem to be working in terms of speeding me up. I started C25K in April and although I did a 10K in 2012, I'd not done any running really since then. I couldn't imagine being able to run non-stop for over 30 mins at the start and I'd be lying if I said I'd enjoyed each run, but I'm loving my Parkruns now!! And for anyone who's been training in the heatwave, just think how much faster you'll be able to go when it cools down!
Good luck everyone Smile

DropZoneOne · 06/08/2018 21:27

W7R3 and a bit extra! I've realised my struggle point is around 15-20 minutes. If I can keep going, the 20 minute onwards is ok, today I managed 28 minutes because I wanted to reach 4k and knew I was soooo close!

It's my breathing I'm struggling with, my lungs start to hurt. Any tips for keeping that steady?

RenaissanceBunny · 07/08/2018 08:09

W1R1 completed this morning. Felt good if not too challenging except when the runs coincided with an uphill bit. Looking forward to W1R2.

MrsMarigold · 07/08/2018 21:56

I just did W1R2 today, it was a bit cooler and I wore shorts ( hopefully I won't scare anyone) I can't wait for Thursday, I'm so excited reading your stories is so motivational. My brother is a very good runner and has always been urging me to take it up.

FATEdestiny · 08/08/2018 19:03

It's my breathing I'm struggling with, my lungs start to hurt. Any tips for keeping that steady?

This is a more in-depth thing than just "try X, Y and Z". The breathing thing has a lot to do with psychology. In a nutshell, it's realising
â—‹ you can control your breathing rather than it controlling you (and making you slow down) when your running.
â—‹ getting very out of breath and your heart rate maxing-out is a Good Thing. It needs to happen and you you don't need to be concerned about it.

So to control your own breathing when you are running, don't automatically assume you need you slow down. Make sure your head is still, your shoulders relaxed and your hands not tensed. Keep your chest and core (torso) still, no up-down movement. The tension in your body wastes energy and makes you more exhausted. It also stops you from relaxing.

Relaxing during a run is a physiological thing, not just physical. Thinking "I can't do this, I need to stop, I'm too tired" and del that negative self-talk becomes self forfilling. Tell yourself you are strong, fit, healthy. Or distract yourself. Try to think of something completely separate to running - plan dinner, think about wording an email you have to write. One of my favourites is imagining I am training someone else. In fact, over the last two days my mind has wandered during a run thinking about how to word this reply I'm writing now Blush

Relaxing is how you get control of your breathing. Physically relaxing in your run and mentally relaxing to become calm and quiet.

But sometimes you do all of this and will still have very laboured breathing and a high heart rate. So you should, you are exercising hard

I don't want to teach grandma to suck eggs here, but do you know about hear rate zones?

You have your normal, resting heart-rate. You then have three zones when you are active.
• Fat-burning zone
This is the low-to-medium intensity exercise zone. It's when you're active, but not pushing your muscles - like fast walking.

• Cardio zone
This is the medium-to-high intensity exercise zone. It's when you're pushing yourself but not straining. Most of your run will be here.

• Peak zone
This is the high-intensity exercise zone. Its whrn your breathing is laboured, your heart beating fast and youllbe sweating a lot. The peak zone is when you improve performance and speed.

You don't want to spend long periods of time in peak zone, but it's necessary for you to improve.

If you were inclined to pay a personal trainer to get you fit, one of the things they do is to push you to the peak zone and try to get a bit more out of you in there ("don't stop yet, 500 more meters", "Faster, faster, come on", "push push, push yourself to get to the gate over there" etc)

Right now you are training your stamina as you move from Week 7 to Week 9, so you can run for longer. Getting into the peak zone is necessary for that, peak zone is when change happens. It means your body is pushing itself. It means you're "training" rather than just "exercising".

Throughout the C25K programe you are definitely "training" - you are teaching your body to do something you couldn't do 3 months ago. You're constantly pushing to run for longer, so you will get to peak zone and have laboured breathing. That's not a problem, it means it's working

When you finish C25K, then things may change. You may decide you are just going to run for half an hour as exercise and that's all. In which case you may go back to just cardio zone exercise. Or you might try to increase your pace and speed even further (increase distance to 5k or beyond, or work on getting faster times). That will involve peak zone running too - running when your breathing is laboured, you're sweating buckets and feel like you might collapse at the end.

So, very long essay to basically say, if you're breathing is hurting:
(1) check your running style. Still, calm and not tense so you don't waste any energy
(2) use controlled breathing techniques to try to relax further and control your breathing rather than it controlling you (big breaths, controlled breathing to a regular count etc).
(3) Distract yourself by thinking about something else. Use positive self-talk
(4) Assess how far near the end of your run you are. Pushing yourself to the max for the final 5/10/15 mins (whatever you can manage) will improve your training if you can manage it. So don't worry about laboured breathing now, rest when you're done.
(5) Ask yourself if you're trying to push yourself. If you're aiming to get a fast time, run further, run longer - you will push to the max and that might mean breathing so hard it hurts. Sometimes have 'easy' runs when you don't push yourself. Sometimes 'go for it' and accept it will be hard graft, but worth it when you see results

and then...

(6) if you've gone through all of these and are still concerned about your laboured breathing..... then slow down your pace because you're probably going too fast.

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FATEdestiny · 08/08/2018 19:38

Hello RenaissanceBunny and MrsMarigold, welcome to the club! Good time to start now it's got cooler.

User9 · 08/08/2018 19:44

I have read the thread and there is some great advice here. I have just finished W5R2. Next one is the big one!

I was wondering if anyone has any advice for me. I have been running the roads where I live but it's really quite hilly and I really think it will be hard to run last past the 8mins as I did struggle a bit with that one. I'm considering going somewhere I know will be relatively flat for the next run and then trying the hilly run.