Brexit Mega Thread 16 – Who's Next?

[LouiseCollins28]

We are approaching the 6th anniversary of Brexit, or I suppose the 5th, if you count the period of transition as "in."

Since then, the world has endured Covid-19, seen war in Ukraine and many other things. Brexit has had reduced salience in the minds of many people recently.

When digesting the latest setbacks to befall the elite who govern our islands, a phrase I keep returning to, is “OK, so now do you get it?”

Brexit is undoubtedly the biggest “OK, so now do you get it?” moment directed at our leaders in my life. It’s surely the largest since 1979, since the Labour victory of 1945? or even since the advent of universal suffrage?

The U.K. local elections in 2026, and subsequent national ones, could see a big increase in support for the Green Party and Reform U.K. Two parties with more different attitudes to European integration could scarcely be found, so Brexit’s salience in the U.K. may rise again soon
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There are many electoral contests in progress or coming across Europe too (the Netherlands and France, for example) which will be worth paying attention to. Maybe the next questions we will face are less about "what next?" and more about "who's next?"

Relations between mainland Europe and the UK remain a worthy topic for discussion, whoever leads the nations of Europe, or leads the E.U. itself.

The UK has not had food security on it's own for over 150 years.

It was much more secure when it was in the EU as there were no problems with getting supplies from other countries.

It's really not that complicated...

This was a DM headline

(https://writesbright.substack.com/p/has-farage-forgotten-his-own-immigration)

When I work outside of the UK, travel, accommodation and subsistence (food) are paid by the employer.

Netherlands offers tax concessions for highly skilled migrants known as the 30% ruling which lasts 5 years. Italy has a scheme known as the 50% ruling which lasts 4 years. Denmark has a flat rate of 27% for I high earners which lasts 7 years. France operates the

Kazakhstan (not in the EU) offered a 10% bonus for expats who worked in residential basis for 2 years which balanced the 10% local tax rate.

UK operates a FIG (Foreign Income and Gains) which allows 100% exemption of taxes on foreign income which lasts 4 years.

The list could go on

About 30% of the food consumed by the UK is sourced from EU members such as; Ireland, Belgium, France and the Netherlands. The remaining 70% is 55% home grown and the balance from non EU.

So, the old remain scaremongering during the campaign that there would be no food and no medicine never materialised.

@DuncinToffee

I thought the remain theory was that only low IQ people read the daily mail?

It would be more informative to watch the 5 December 2024 episode of BBC question time. It was acknowledged by both Alastair Campbell and Nigel Farage that it only made sense to allow migrants into the UK if they were working.

Due to an ageing population and declining birth rate, it will be necessary to employ people from outside the UK.

Personally, I read a variety of media sources, even foreign ones.

I'm afraid ChatGPT has failed to finish one of your sentences for you there.

Anyway, so, as you have shown, the UK is reliant of imported food. Not only the food imported directly from the EU (thanks for your immensely helpful list of a few EU countries, I'm sure we would never have known otherwise), but from other countries as well (why didn't we have a list of a few other countries?).

What ChatGPT failed to let you know is that much of that food imported from other countries arrives through the EU. So raising costs and causing delays to deliveries from the EU impacts that as well.

And that is why perishables now have a much shorter shelf life once they arrive than they did before Brexit.

You are why we can't have nice things.

As per the guardian, shelf life may be reduced by one fifth. I would not categorise that as a much shorter lifespan.

Not all food imported by the UK passes through the EU. Direct supplies are received from countries like, Brazil, New Zealand and US.

You are why we can't have nice things.

I was not one of the 498 MPs who triggered article 50 on 29 March 2017.

I am unable to find a list of foods that are no longer available in the UK since Brexit.

I don't recognise your Guardian source - I am using the evidence of my own eyes. I can see what the sell-by dates are.

And yes, you are the problem. You are one of the people who voted for it, otherwise it wouldn't have happened. Come on, celebrate! You won this turd in a box!

I am using the evidence of my own eyes. I can see what the sell-by dates are.

The link for the guardian article is:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/30/brexit-border-rules-could-cut-shelf-life-of-fresh-food-from-eu-by-a-fifth-say-experts

What foods are no longer available in the UK since Brexit? Which food products are you referring to regards sell by dates?

You are one of the people who voted for it, otherwise it wouldn't have happened

United Kingdom joined the EU in 1973 without a referendum beforehand.

Subsequent to the Gina Miller case in 2017, it was established that the prime minister couldn’t trigger article 50 without an act of parliament. This effectively overruled the statement made by David Cameron in the booklet sent to all UK households, this is your decision. The government will implement what you decide.

Hence Parliament held a vote on 29 March 2017. The outcome was that 498 MPs voted to trigger article 50.

The option to cancel Brexit or have a second referendum was presented by the Liberal Democrat’s and Labour Party respectively. However, neither of those parties won the 2019 general election.

Yet more ChatGPT word salad.

I don't know why you won't take credit for your tremendous achievement!

United Kingdom joined the EU in 1973 without a referendum beforehand.

Because we were a Parliamentary democracy and not one which ruled by Referenda. It would be perfectly possible to incorporate them into our system, as In Ireland, Switzerland, but at least the rules would then be drawn up properly, not sketched out on the back of an old envelope.

The only referendum that I can recall in my lifetime before 1973 was one in Wales where they asked whether counties should stay dry on Sundays. They didn't. But that was literally an open or shut case. Not one which was nuanced.

@MaybeNotBob
@Peregrina
@DuncinToffee

Have you seen the results of today’s local elections?

Indeed. Labour holing on much better than expected. Deform not making the gains the media wanted them to. Torys losing badly. Greens making a few inroads. Lib Dems staying steady.

Typical for a local elections the year after a new government.

You have a point given to you by the Russians- ?

£5m donation 🤔

And I suspect not the only one...

@DuncinToffee
@MaybeNotBob

The £5 gift, as opposed to a donation, was raised in today’s question time special and in last week’s episode. The response was:

The gift was given before Farage became an MP. Hence no need to declare.

If he has done something illegal, why has he not been charged? Remember the basic principle of law is:

innocence is presumed, and

guilt has to be proven

That both Conservatives and Labour are raising this as Farage’s popularity rises is not a coincidence in my view. Prior to this it was he did at school about 50 years ago.

Sure EE, if that is what Nige told you 😅 No wonder he so cagey about it.

Sure EE, if that is what Nige told you 😅 No wonder he so cagey about it.

You didn’t answer my question,

if he is considered to be guilty, why has he not been charged?

Why have the MPs who think he has done something wrong not taken him to court? If there is irrefutable evidence, what have they got to lose?

You, like on other posts referring to the alleged non existence of reports, make the flawed logic that people have to prove their innocence. They don’t. Also, don’t forget the right to remain silent.

You really need to do your research - it's not "illegal" - it's against parliamentary rules. And he's already shown he doesn't give a sh!t about those, and the media have shown they don't want to hold him to account.

Somehow, a pair of glasses and being moved to a secure part of the stadium are far dodgier than a massive payment from a dodgy businessman who wants his industry deregulated so he can make even more money...

Questions are being asked about the £5m, Farage is unhappy and going full Trump mode.

Nothing to see here.......

Same with his racism, Nathan Gill, Clacton house

And since the gift was received within 12 months before him becoming an MP, it absolutely does fall foul of Parliamentary rules. The double standards in the UK media are clear to see for all.

@pointythings
@DuncinToffee
@MaybeNotBob

what prevents you from taking Farage, the government or the press to court?

Boris Johnson was taken to court over the £350 million per week EES bus. The case was dismissed.

Gina Miller took the government to court twice and won, but Brexit still happened.

Had Farage not risen in popularity none of these desperate smears would have happened.

More significantly, despite the desperate attempt to discredit Farage, Reform are gaining momentum.

Tell us you have literally no idea of how things work in this country without telling us...

Facts are not smears.

You know exactly who you are voting for.