Brexit mega thread part 15a - looking forwards

[Talkinpeace]

Just rebooting the most recent thread

At the moment the UKs issues are rather over shadowed by events elsewhere
but maybe that is a good thing.

The German election on Sunday is worth watching
Right wing European politicians pulling out of CPAC speeches because they realise its not a good look
Farage floundering to stay relevant

and the possibility of the return of free movement for our kids if not us

Relations between mainland Europe and the UK remain a worthy topic for discussion

A lot of "promises" around Brexit were made by people who would never be in a position to deliver them.

It's exactly like walking past a restaurant and having someone say to you "Why not come inside and have something off this menu for £5".

Everyone piles in and orders the fillet steak.

A few years while later someone else comes out with a turn on a plate and says "your meal". When you complain they point out that the person outside was fuck all to do with the restaurant, and you're only getting what is in the kitchen.

The analogy can be extended and refined endlessly, as the premise is identical.

If the person who made the £5 offer was outside, as opposed to inside, would they not have said go inside as opposed to come inside?

Half a million people die every year in the UK.
The Brexit vote was nine years ago.
Half a million people reach voting age every year in the UK.
The Brexit vote was nine years ago.

The electorate has changed by nine million people since 2016
and the margin then was 1.2 million

@Talkinpeace

And?

Ah, those honest Brexiteers...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/23/nigel-farage-clacton-home-bought-girlfriend-property

Am watching Lancashire County Council - see also Thanet when UKIP won it

@MaybeNotBob

Pick any party you wish and will be able to find something on a member to try and discredit them. Desperation and fear comes to mind.

Farage has announced if he takes power, he will:

Re-introduce the winter fuel allowance;

Rightly so. If the government can afford £8 million per day to house people who have never paid tax, they can afford to provide help to pensioners who most likely spent many years paying tax.

and,

Scrap the two child limit for allowance.

Good idea as the birth rate in the UK is declining.

I love the faux concern about us poor old pensioners.
I would much rather see assistance given to younger people who need it.

You'd think that would be natural, given the equally faux concern for youth.

Farage claims lots of things he'd do.

He doesn't tell us how he'd pay for them.

And as he's another cheek of the same Putin owned arse as Trump, you can bet it wouldn't be any good for anyone except his rich mates.

@Peregrina

So, what assistance should be provided to the younger generation?

@MaybeNotBob

If you read the Reform Manifesto it explains how savings will be made and extra tax revenues will be collected. Examples include

Employers will pay higher NIC on foreign employees. This is to encourage employers to recruit locals.

Higher taxes for online businesses to subsidise high street business rates.

Scrap net zero which is estimated to cost £30 billion per year.

Farage claimed he'd bought a house in his constituency.

I watch what he and his folk actually get up to

Dumb stuff like this for a start https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg71j9mgdvvo

The ever present unicorns

If you read the Reform Manifesto

I much prefer to watch their actions and draw my conclusions from that, thank you very much.

E2A: There are scientists who suggest that farming was the worst thing to happen to humans. It allows all sorts of really really really horrific diseases and parasites to spread, that are unknown in nomadic communities.

By the same token, I can find sympathy with the notion that literacy was the worst thing to happen to society, as it meant people could ignore the evidence of their own eyes in deference to Holy Writ.

#justsayn'

@Talkinpeace

If you read the BBC article in full it states that the flood committee is scrapped, but at same time their activities and duties are being allocated to environment committee. This committee will meet eight times per year instead of four.

It’s called getting rid of dead wood. Makes sense to me. Why have two committees when one can do the same. Remember that one of Reform’s policy is to reduce government waste.

Regards claiming to buy a house in Clacton, name me one MP who hasn’t told a porky at some time in their life. More importantly, what difference does it make to the public who bought the house?

It’s perfectly possible to provide funds for a house, but at the same time place the asset in someone else’s name. People who are not married, but are partners, do it regularly to minimise stamp duties. There’s nothing illegal about this.

I have bought cars for both son and daughter, but they are the registered keepers and their details are listed on the V5 registration document.

@SerendipityJane

that literacy was the worst thing to happen to society, as it meant people could ignore the evidence of their own eyes in deference to Holy Writ.

So, the world would have been a better place if everyone was illiterate?

The number of meetings has not changed.
So no money will be saved on officer time.
BUT
In the county most at risk of North Sea Flooding
the focus has been lost

Ah, so you shouldn't go on about Starmer allegedly lying, because it's apparently OK if Fartage does it. I expect to see no comments on that from GlobalAI in the future.

The Economist has read the Reform manifesto and has stated that it is Trussonomics on steroids, or words to that effect. Totally incompetent, unfunded, and pie-in-the-sky thinking.

Why does that not shock me?

Higher taxes for online businesses to subsidise high street business rates.

Trump will never allow this.

Scrap net zero which is estimated to cost £30 billion per year.

And cost us all far, far more in the long term...

It's finally sinking in for some of the idiots cheerleaders...

Higher taxes for online businesses to subsidise high street business rates.

How about higher fuel duty to pay for blacksmiths to shoe horses while we're at it ?

The "high street" as we knew it, is dead. Any attempts to reverse that can only be attempts to siphon more public money into spivvy pockets.

We really need to remind ourselves that just wishing something don't make it true and rather than pander to peoples delusions, there must come a time when they need to be told to grow up.

So, what assistance should be provided to the younger generation?

Assistance with housing, properly controlled rents. Just one idea.

There is a school of thought that if you need to artificially provide opportunities for your youth, then you are looking at a very broken and completely unsustainable model of society.

@Peregrina

I am with you on housing.

When I graduated in 1986 my salary was £9K per year. Where I lived it was possible to buy a two bedroom house for £23K. Approx 2.5 x salary. So, it was possible for a single person to buy a house

Today average UK house price is £271K and average graduate salary is £26K. So, a house is 10 times salary. A staggering leap.

Most young people I know buy as couples and often with help from parents. Monthly payments on a £250K mortgage is about £1400. So, that would be one salary spent immediately. The second salary would then go on; council tax, utilities, food….Little wonder that the birth rate is declining. Young people can’t afford children.

Who'd a thunk it...

https://kentandsurreybylines.co.uk/politics/justice/from-europol-to-isolation-how-brexit-weakened-criminal-justice/

At BobbyNoMate

Crime index in France is higher than the UK with fugues of 55.66 and 48.29 respectively.

Source numbeo.com

It might explain why some are prepared to risk their lives crossing the channel.