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Brexit mega thread part 13: All eyes on Ireland

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SerendipityJane · 23/03/2024 09:11

With the Windsor framework up & running, and the DUP having a "you could set your calendar by it" hissy fit, but Irish unification refusing to keep it's head down, what next in the long running sage of UK vs. the real world ?

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Peregrina · 29/03/2024 12:15

Contradictory. If remainers know the rules and act accordingly, they will not be affected.

Not affected in terms of being caught out and denied boarding, but affected in having to stump up for a new passport months before they are supposedly due to. Speaking as one who had to do just that. However, Brexiters don't appear to mind having to throw money away. Preferably someone else's money.

Peregrina · 29/03/2024 12:20

It's the feminist and women rights board on here

They seem to think that because the Tories know what a woman is, they should be voted for. What they don't seem to realise is that the Tories only know what a woman is so that they can do them down.

But we are going off topic, sorry. Back to Brexit - so we now get fewer Canadian dollars for our £, but this is a Good Thing. Have I read that correctly?

HannibalHeyes · 29/03/2024 12:43

To be honest, the Tories don't care what a woman is, they just spout whatever will stoke their culture wars.

Unfortunately, people still fall for it...

GlobeTrotter2000 · 29/03/2024 13:56

If you wanted to travel between age 18 and 78, you would need six ten year passports. If they had to be renewed 3 to 6 months before they expire, that would require seven 10 year passports.

A 34 page passport currently costs £82.50. So, an additional passport spread over a period of 60 years equates to 11p per month. If someone can’t afford 11p per month, how can they afford to travel at all?

DuncinToffee · 29/03/2024 14:00

Brexiteers celebrated the end of freedom of movement, so why the need to trot the globe indeed.

Peregrina · 29/03/2024 14:21

If someone can’t afford 11p per month, how can they afford to travel at all?

So you think travel should be restricted to the wealthy? As it was in the 1930s and earlier.

Can't have the plebs getting ideas above their station and seeing that other countries are better run than the UK is, can we now.

SerendipityJane · 29/03/2024 14:57

HannibalHeyes · 29/03/2024 12:43

To be honest, the Tories don't care what a woman is, they just spout whatever will stoke their culture wars.

Unfortunately, people still fall for it...

Or use it as an fig-leaf excuse.

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mathanxiety · 29/03/2024 15:36

The BBC is reporting thst Sir Jeffrey Donaldson, MP, leader of the DUP, and a 57 year old woman, were arrested by PSNI and charged with 'non recent' sex offenses and aiding and abetting, respectively. The pair will appear in court in Newry - reports say later in the month, but there are only two weekend days left in this month, so perhaps April.

He has stood down as party leader, and Gavin Robinson, MP, has been named as his replacement. Robinson was sworn into the Privy Council on 28 March. Donaldson resigned the following day (today).

I wonder if someone on the radical side of his own party dobbed him in or if this charge comes after a long investigation. There seems to have been enough evidence to charge the pair quickly after questioning. He influenced the recent decision of the DUP to return to Stormont.

Talkinpeace · 29/03/2024 16:42

Travel broadens the mind
that is why Brexiters like restricting it
as those of us who compare different ways of running a country
see the flaws in their ideas

GlobeTrotter2000 · 30/03/2024 08:46

@DuncinToffee Brexiteers celebrated the end of freedom of movement, so why the need to trot the globe indeed.

The globe is not made up solely of the 27 EU members. The Schengen allows Non-EU citizens to be in the Schengen area for 90 days per 180. So, someone from the UK could spend half of their time in the Schengen area if they wished/could afford.

Not all EU members are in Schengen. Ireland will never join due to GFA. Bulgaria, Croatia and Romania not yet in Schengen.

GlobeTrotter2000 · 30/03/2024 08:58

@Peregrina So you think travel should be restricted to the wealthy? As it was in the 1930s and earlier.

A potential increase in travel cost of 11p per month does not restrict travel to the wealthy. I have relatives who have never worked in decades, but can afford to go to Spain every year.

Can't have the plebs getting ideas above their station and seeing that other countries are better run than the UK is, can we now.

Approx. 85% of the UK has a passport. Link is:

What percentage of Brits have a passport? (calendar-uk.co.uk)

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HannibalHeyes · 30/03/2024 12:42

Why do all of Global's posts read like she's only just googled a fact and then felt she had to post it up, however irrelevant?

SerendipityJane · 30/03/2024 13:41

HannibalHeyes · 30/03/2024 12:42

Why do all of Global's posts read like she's only just googled a fact and then felt she had to post it up, however irrelevant?

How else does an LLM learn ?

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Peregrina · 30/03/2024 13:42

Why do all of Global's posts read like she's only just googled a fact and then felt she had to post it up, however irrelevant?

And tell us something that we knew six or more years ago?

SerendipityJane · 30/03/2024 13:52

Peregrina · 30/03/2024 13:42

Why do all of Global's posts read like she's only just googled a fact and then felt she had to post it up, however irrelevant?

And tell us something that we knew six or more years ago?

To be fair, they could hallucinate.

We haven't even seen the start if it yet - wait until the DWP or HRMC start using AI in anger and it produces reams of completely made up shite referring to non existent laws and regulations. Just before they start spouting the racist and misogynistic parameters they will have ingested from the likes of reddit and tory party Whatsapps.

https://www.theregister.com/2024/03/28/ai_bots_hallucinate_software_packages/

AI bots hallucinate software packages and devs download them

Simply look out for libraries imagined by ML and make them real, with actual malicious code. No wait, don't do that

https://www.theregister.com/2024/03/28/ai_bots_hallucinate_software_packages

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HannibalHeyes · 30/03/2024 14:12

Funny how they don't ask any of them how they voted...

Peregrina · 30/03/2024 14:40

Note Until 2018,

So between five and six years ago. We can't fully blame Covid, although the Brexiters will try, because that didn't hit the UK until 2020.

SerendipityJane · 30/03/2024 14:40

HannibalHeyes · 30/03/2024 14:12

Funny how they don't ask any of them how they voted...

What would the point be ? They may have been trained in the dastardly art of "lying"

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Peregrina · 30/03/2024 14:44

The time may come, although we are not there yet, when no one admits to voting for Brexit.

Yet I for one won't forget about Remoaners and the other insults heaped on us.

SerendipityJane · 30/03/2024 14:50

Peregrina · 30/03/2024 14:44

The time may come, although we are not there yet, when no one admits to voting for Brexit.

Yet I for one won't forget about Remoaners and the other insults heaped on us.

It's creeping in. There needs to be a few more years where people can move around and reinvent themselves.

To my everlasting amusement though, the very last people the really rabid brexiteers would ever vote for are the tories. That's where Reform is proving most fertile.

The dish will be very cold when finally served, but the Tories cynical use of Brexit to fleece the UK has ensured they have alienated their core voters. That's the ones left alive.

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SerendipityJane · 30/03/2024 17:19

As a massive Pre-Raphaelite fan, this pleases me. (My ghost may well haunt the Tate when I am gone).

We really need a proper Netflix-stylee sex'n'drugs'n'socialism reimagining of the PRB story. Lizzie Siddal needs to be a national icon beyond Beata Beatrix.

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DuncinToffee · 01/04/2024 21:08

Not an April Fool

https://archive.ph/MDayG

Brexit mega thread part 13: All eyes on Ireland
Peregrina · 01/04/2024 22:26

It might as well be an April Fool though. It's just a 'We didn't do Brexit properly' article.

For example: The plan to scrap 4000 EU laws -i.e. laws passed by Parliament, have been watered down. No mention of the fact that some were almost certainly proposed by Britain when in the EU, or would have come from other International bodies originally. This is as silly as any new Government saying that they want to scrap all laws passed by the previous administration, regardless of whether the laws were necessary and made the country run efficiently.

Or Whitehall is afraid that trawlers with decimate our ecosystem. Rubbish, the people in power have no interest in our ecosystem but because their Brexit isn't working, they have to look around for someone to blame, so latch onto the Civil Service. How about blaming the rubbish negotiators from the Brexit camp?

If we don't want to maximise our free trade deals - again, because we had absolutely useless negotiators. And on and on.

Brexit is failing because the Brexiters have failed. They had four years before the Transition Period came into effect when they could have been working hard to Identify opportunities - instead they whined and whined about Remoaners.

The worst is that Cameron only called the Referendum because he was shit scared of UKIP. Now we are out of the EU and the Tories are still shit scared of what was UKIP now branded as Reform.

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