Brexit mega thread part 13: All eyes on Ireland

[SerendipityJane]

With the Windsor framework up & running, and the DUP having a "you could set your calendar by it" hissy fit, but Irish unification refusing to keep it's head down, what next in the long running sage of UK vs. the real world ?

We had some lovely stews on Crete on a summer holiday

What was the point of Article 50, which took 9 years to complete, if it was assumed that no member would want to leave?

Who has said the EU assumed no member would ever want to leave? I didn’t, so I think it’s only you.

I 'object' to French people using the word 'salad' to mean lettice because I am immediately looking for the cucumber, radish, spring onion, tomato ,pepper, carrot and red cabbage etc. Oh, and a TUC biscuit is NOT a gateau!
Gateau is at least 100mm thick and preferably with cream and conserves of some sort possibly with butter icing on the top or just icing sugar if you insist. mind you Mache is not bad, green leafy stuff slightly like lettice but more and nicer flavour. Black radish was certainly new to me and then the supermarkets and open markets have lots of varieties of tomatoes. I am happy to let those that like escargot to have as many as they want as no amount of garlic and butter makes them good for me although the light green garlic/butter can make them LOOK attractive.
My culinary delicacy is 'hot vegetables' (onion, garlic, tomato, cabbage, Broccoli, cauliflower 'pan fried' in olive oil) maybe with rice or potatoes with or without some meat or fish thrown in for good measure. Saucise et lentiles is an easy fallback too.

It all sounds very nice, but I fear I would be bringing my own and claiming some allergy 😀

Who has said the EU assumed no member would ever want to leave? I didn’t, so I think it’s only you.
It was a 'Scot who was instrumental in the drafting of A50 and the 2 year limit of delclaring a country wished to leave was deliberately tough as he knew there are thousands of treaties and detailzs that would need unravelling and rewriting but then Globe can now go and research this and tell us all how easy leaving SHOULD have been.

Can you lot stop making me drool all over my keyboard?

This is where those artisan breads get a chance to shine. Completely add a new dimension to your dining experience. Balsamic vinegar in extra virgin olive oil, naturally. It's probably and age thing with dying taste buds, but a dash of really hot sauce (just for example there's nothing I call "hot" in Nandos) can really make a meal fizz.

(I think it's safe to come out now)

I am currently finding ways to include pak choi in every meal
the onslaught of tomatoes and courgettes is a few weeks away
I have lots of lettuce - but being home grown it has flavour
and walking onions get chopped onto everything
pimentos and aubergines are at least six weeks away

@IItisymoi

Lord Kinlochard assumed the UK would not trigger Article 50. The quote is:

“I don’t feel guilty about inventing the mechanism. I feel very sad about the U.K. using it,” Kerr told POLITICO. “I didn’t think that the United Kingdom would use it.”

Link is:

Article 50 author Lord Kerr: I didn’t have UK in mind – POLITICO

So, another politician who thought they knew better than the electorate. Cameron continued the assumption in 2016 with the famous booklet which stated the government would implement the result of the referendum.

Article 50 allowed the member who triggered Article 50 to leave without a deal. This would have resulted in all treaties lapsing overnight. So, no unravelling needed.

Ah the famed booklet.

Article 50 allowed the member who triggered Article 50 to leave without a deal. This would have resulted in all treaties lapsing overnight. So, no unravelling needed.
NOW wrap ypur tiny mind around what leaving with NO DEAL would have actually meant.
For example suspension of INSURANCE between the EU and UK leading to NO Boats or auroplanes carrying goods across the channelso as NO alternative plans or agreements were (or even are) in place there would have been massive turmoil as so many products disappeared from UK shelves effectively overnight. The constitutional issues such as Northern Ireland border with Ireland would have become IMMEDIATE for which there is NO preparation. And here we are with super Globe and others voting for this nonsense and STILL defending gross idiocy and laziness 8 years on.

So, another politician who thought they knew better than the electorate.

Well, he obviously did know better!

@DuncinToffee Ah the famed booklet.

The booklet was effectively cancelled by the Miller case which established that an act of Parliament was needed to trigger Article 50. This happened in 29 March 2017 when 498 MPs (the UK's lawmakers) voted to trigger Article 50.

@IItisymoi leaving with NO DEAL would have actually meant.

It would have meant that the EU and the UK would have to trade with each other on WTO.

The constitutional issues such as Northern Ireland border with Ireland would have become IMMEDIATE

WTO told both Ireland the UK they would not be required to install a hard border in the event of no deal. Also, the administration of Article 50 has no recourse to international law.

@HannibalHeyes

That it was a Scot who developed Article 50 on the assumption the United Kingdom (Scotland, England, Northern Ireland and Wales) would not use it is hilarious considering that Scotland voted by the largest majority (62%) to remain in the EU. I wonder how popular he is in Scotland?

Wow! Non-sequiturs working overtime there...

leaving with NO DEAL would have actually meant.

It would have meant that the EU and the UK would have to trade with each other on WTO.

EXACTLY, which in immediate terms would have meant tariffs because although the UK has a 'seat' (is a member of) WTO it would have NO trade deals with the EU which is that the UK is a Third country.
Globe really hasn't though this through but is wiggling like a worm in alcohol.

Globe still apparently hasn't woken up to the fact that Brexit has been enacted. We are not in the EU. OK, it does look as though it's not been enacted in a form that he/she is happy with. Tough.

I wonder what ink was used for that famous booklet 🤔

Funny that. There was only one option for Remain, but apparently 17 million people all voted for a different version of Leave...

THIS with bells on.

And in "Does the Pope shit in the woods" news...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/29/nigel-farage-to-boycott-bbc-over-biased-question-time-audience

This made me laugh. So Farage, who has been on Question Time more than any other, and far more than say the Greens or the LibDems, wants to avoid the BBC because QT was biased against him.

Good grief! I blame the BBC for Brexit because they constantly gave air-time to Farage before the referendum, and never, to my knowledge, interviewed anyone who wanted to maintain the status quo and keep the UK in Europe, to give the opposite point of view. Talk about biased BBC. They lost all credibility for me in 2016.

@IItisymoi

The EU is a member of the WTO and trades with Countries like Singapore under WTO.

@HannibalHeyes and @Talkinpeace

Funny that. There was only one option for Remain, but apparently 17 million people all voted for a different version of Leave...

Can you provide a link, or supply evidence that you personally know each of the persons who voted leave and they all voted leave for a different reason?

Regards the US study, I would again refer to the following:

UK Poverty rate is 18%. Unemployment rate 4.4%. Inflation 2.0%
German Poverty rate is 20.9%. Unemployment rate 3.2%. Inflation 2.3%
France Poverty Rate 21.0%. Unemployment rate 7.3%. Inflation 2.4%
EU average Poverty Rate 21.6%. Unemployment rate 6.4%. Inflation 2.6%
Italy poverty rate 24.4%. Unemployment rate 6.9%. Inflation 1.2%
Spain 26.0%. Unemployment rate 11.7%. Inflation 3.3%

If leaving the EU has made the UK worse off, how do you explain the above figures? In every case, the UK figures are better than the EU average.

When compared to France and Germany, UK is better for all cases other than Germany's unemployment being lower.

@Peregrina

How does fact that Nigel Farage has been on Question Time 12 times since 2010 prove the BBC is not biased?

Links are:

Europe inflation rate by country March 2024 | Statista
Euro area unemployment at 6.4% - Eurostat (europa.eu)

Farage is the Alan Davies of QT.

The BBC never once had a pro-EU UK MEP on QT in the run up to the EU Referendum, despite having Farage, Hannan et al on multiple times