Brexit mega thread part 13: All eyes on Ireland

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With the Windsor framework up & running, and the DUP having a "you could set your calendar by it" hissy fit, but Irish unification refusing to keep it's head down, what next in the long running sage of UK vs. the real world ?

@DuncinToffee death by a thousand cuts.

I hope never to have to return to live in the U.K. I cannot see how standard of living will ever improve.

Intrigued to see the impact of the implementation of the latest rounds of checks on imports.

On par with Russia

"The plan is working"

@DuncinToffee @HannibalHeyes

UK could remain a top-10 global economy in 2050 - despite Brexit (pwc.co.uk)

Is that from 2017?

@DuncinToffee Is that from 2017?

Yes, but before COVID and wars.

your point being?

@DuncinToffee - judging your replies, I can see my decision to stop reading his posts was (and is) the right one

The point Globetrotter is making is that the disaster didn't happen overnight so he/she is classing this as a MASSIVE win whereas the PROMISE by Mr MoGG of the 19th Century said CHEAP Shoes and food would happen IMMEDIATELY (which strangely also hasn't happened) and so many are backpedalling to quietly forget about the PROMISES made by the Government that has been in power for 14 years, unlike Labour who have not been in power:
Of course RESPONSIBLE governments have contingency plans and continuously monitor world affairs so have at least half a plan for most eventualities. French news and discussion channels were discussing the possibilities of nuclear war in Europe, not that they wish it to happen but were at least considering what it might mean for various countries and areas. Meanwhile the UK is still arguing over a few people in boats and trying to get to grips with WTO trade rule requirements that they KNEW would be necessary 8 years ago but still haven't put into place. Heck it awas mentioned by myself and others on this thread probably 6 years ago and has still not happened.

I know, I know.

I blame Jaichangecentfoisdenom for spotting the April fools

Ah, the old 'Covid and wars ploy! Covid being a big problem because the UK government ignored the findings of the specially commoissioned 'what if' a major problem occurs committee, and wars that do crop up from time to time which fortunatelty for the UK hasn't directly impacted the UK.

So in 26 years this government wold bring us down from a top 5 country to a top 10 country?

And you're posting that as a win?

Hard of thinking this bot...

@IItisymoi Ah, the old 'Covid and wars ploy!

Those events have affected the World. The EU has acknowledged that; pandemic, wars and climate change are causing poverty to increase in the EU. Link is

Over 200,000 more children are at risk of poverty in the European Union: Save the Children report | Save the Children International

Main points are:

Europe is one of the wealthiest regions of the world, yet the report uncovered an alarming increase in the numbers of children and families living with poverty and social exclusion as a result of the cost of living, the climate crisis and the COVID-19 pandemic.

The conflict in Ukraine and the subsequent increase in the cost of living has brought unbearable challenges to the lives of millions of families, especially those low and middle-income households that had already suffered during the pandemic. The price of basic food such as milk, cereals, and oil has skyrocketed, forcing families to skip meals and ration food.

@IItisymoi Of course RESPONSIBLE governments have contingency plans and continuously monitor world affairs so have at least half a plan for most eventualities.

Sounds like you are describing David Cameron? The UK PM who was 100% certain the outcome of the 2016 referendum would be to remain. Hence never made a plan for a leave vote,

@HannibalHeyes So in 26 years this government wold bring us down from a top 5 country to a top 10 country? And you're posting that as a win?

Flawed logic again. As countries whose populations are massively larger than the UK develop, their GDP will eventually exceed that of the UK China and India are good examples. As they move up the list, countries that were previously above China and India will begin move down the list even if as individual countries they are growing.

And what has made the cost of living crisis even worse in the UK?

I'll give you a clue; It begins with B and ends with shit.

Those events have affected the World

No shit, Sherlock

Having met a former Secretary General to the EU at a social event (we went to the pub for tea) in Brussels where he lives, he described David Cameron as an idiot and clueless when they had met officially during the early departure talks. It's funny who yoàu can talk to if you are not so blinkered and up your own 'wherever'! Besides Europe likes peope who cooperate and find ways to HELP others, unlike the majority of leave voters it seems.

Well done for acknowledging that polls cannot be replied upon as evidenced by the polls from 2013 to 2016 which forecast a remain outcome.

Thanks, but I have no need of your approbation. Polls are a useful method of finding out people’s opinions or intentions. Of course they are not 100% reliable - in fact, the link I posted outlines the many ways in which they may be misleading. No one, and particularly not me, has suggested that they are a suitable method of determining an election. I’m not sure where you think you’re going with this argument, which seems to have no purpose other than to demonstrate your unwillingness to understand any point of view, or interpretation of facts, other than your own.

And of course the Leave/Remain polls in the immediate runup to the referendum were within the margin of error in any case, a fact that Leavers don't like to acknowledge.

Very good point.

Why do I bother to read Globetrotter2000's posts?

You have got your Brexit. the vote happened 8 years ago and Brexit itself happened 4 years ago. So telling us all that Tory Cameron is an idiot, which many of us worked our for ourselves doesn't tell us anything. Next time you will tell us that sometimes Boris Johnson tells lies.

However back to today's affairs. I see the Tories have lost a by election, although they did manage to hold off Reform, otherwise known as UKIP, which was the main reason why Cameron started all this nonsense in the first place.

The title of that link was so blatantly ridiculous that I thought it had to be a joke, and was expecting to find an article by the Poke or NewsThump or similar. What I can't fathom is whether this poster actually thinks it is all real? Anyway, like prettybird, I'm ignoring them from now on, life's too short.

Great Twitter thread from Russ Jones;

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1787145521452192199.html?utm_campaign=topunroll

CAn anyone unpick this absolute bollocks for me please ?

In particular this piece of shite:

Although the law was passed by the EU in 2022, the legislation states that it applies to all cars sold in Europe, not just EU member states, so it still applies to the UK even though we’re no longer a member.

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1895981/drivers-forced-speed-limiters-EU-rule-July

A new EU law about speed limiters is set to take effect this summer which will also impact drivers across the UK too.
From July 6, every new car and van sold in the EU must be fitted with an automatic speed limiter in a bid to tackle speeding.
Although the law was passed by the EU in 2022, the legislation states that it applies to all cars sold in Europe, not just EU member states, so it still applies to the UK even though we’re no longer a member.

That sounds like abject nonsense to me. Surely the whole point about Brexit was that the UK would no longer be subject to EU regulations? The EU and Europe are two separate entities, one political/economic and the other geographic. Presumably, people from the UK only need to comply with these rules if they wish to travel by car through the EU/mainland Europe? There's no such law in the UK at present, is there?

It doesn't stop you from going as fast as you want to, it just yells at you politely if you go over the limit.