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Brexit

Can someone give me one benefit of Brexit.

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Tulipsroses · 05/12/2023 18:54

It's going to be 4 years since we withdrew our membership in European Union. Apart from the passport colour (some people might prefer) can anyone name one positive change which happened since then.

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HannibalHeyes · 05/01/2024 21:36

Absolutely! Rampant inflation is a wonderful Brexit benefit!

Talkinpeace · 05/01/2024 21:43

Globe
sweetie
4% margin is insignificant
Farridge himself said he'd have rejected it had it gone the other way
keep up

Flyhigher · 06/01/2024 00:25

@GlobeTrotter2000 people are drinking at home, on trains, in parks, on beaches. Alcohol consumption of just pure vodka amongst teens is up.

jgw1 · 06/01/2024 06:54

Talkinpeace · 05/01/2024 21:43

Globe
sweetie
4% margin is insignificant
Farridge himself said he'd have rejected it had it gone the other way
keep up

Shh, it will confuse people if you point out that 4% is within the margin of error for the opinion polls they get so excited about.

Talking of 4% here is the lastest opinion poll.

https://twitter.com/wethinkpolling

https://twitter.com/wethinkpolling

Zonder · 06/01/2024 08:29

Wow that's good news @jgw1

jgw1 · 06/01/2024 08:36

Zonder · 06/01/2024 08:29

Wow that's good news @jgw1

Its one poll. May just be a quirk of polling, I wouldn't read too much into it. Much like I wouldn't read too much into some other polls in December showing a slight decline in support for Labour.

Zonder · 06/01/2024 08:43

There is quite a lot of room to allow for error!

Sorry - just woken up!

GlobeTrotter2000 · 06/01/2024 09:53

@Talkinpeace 4% margin is insignificant

The 2015 EU Referendum Act does not specify a minimum margin.

What prevented Cameron from specifying a minimum % difference on the Booklet sent to each household in the UK for the result to be binding?

Can you provide a link that proves there is a law which states 4% difference shall be ignored?

@Talkinpeace Farridge himself said he'd have rejected it had it gone the other way

Farage suggested a second Referendum in 2018 as per the link

Farage's call for second Brexit vote greeted with glee by remainers | Nigel Farage | The Guardian

But Parliament rejected a second referendum. Link is:

Brexit: MPs vote against giving public fresh referendum on EU withdrawal | The Independent | The Independent

If Parliament were confident that people had changed their minds, why did they reject a second referendum?

Farage's call for second Brexit vote greeted with glee by remainers

Pro-EU campaigners back former Ukip leader’s suggestion of second referendum to ‘kill off’ issue for a generation

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/11/nigel-farage-backs-fresh-brexit-referendum-to-kill-off-issue

jgw1 · 06/01/2024 10:00

GlobeTrotter2000 · 06/01/2024 09:53

@Talkinpeace 4% margin is insignificant

The 2015 EU Referendum Act does not specify a minimum margin.

What prevented Cameron from specifying a minimum % difference on the Booklet sent to each household in the UK for the result to be binding?

Can you provide a link that proves there is a law which states 4% difference shall be ignored?

@Talkinpeace Farridge himself said he'd have rejected it had it gone the other way

Farage suggested a second Referendum in 2018 as per the link

Farage's call for second Brexit vote greeted with glee by remainers | Nigel Farage | The Guardian

But Parliament rejected a second referendum. Link is:

Brexit: MPs vote against giving public fresh referendum on EU withdrawal | The Independent | The Independent

If Parliament were confident that people had changed their minds, why did they reject a second referendum?

@GlobeTrotter2000 yet another Brexit benefit, thanks.

GlobeTrotter2000 · 06/01/2024 10:01

@Flyhigher

The link I referenced was:

Over the last century, the overall amount of alcohol consumed per person in the UK has risen and fallen repeatedly. Since reaching a peak in the mid-2000s, consumption has been falling steadily – especially among young people.

Drinking trends in the UK | Alcohol Change UK

However, it is possible that whilst overall consumption is declining, there is an increase in specific types of alcohol.

Drinking trends in the UK | Alcohol Change UK

Drinking trends in the UK change all the time. They also vary by age, gender, and where people live.

https://alcoholchange.org.uk/alcohol-facts/fact-sheets/drinking-trends-in-the-uk#:~:text=Over%20the%20last%20century%2C%20the,steadily%20%E2%80%93%20especially%20among%20young%20people.

jgw1 · 06/01/2024 10:11

GlobeTrotter2000 · 06/01/2024 10:01

@Flyhigher

The link I referenced was:

Over the last century, the overall amount of alcohol consumed per person in the UK has risen and fallen repeatedly. Since reaching a peak in the mid-2000s, consumption has been falling steadily – especially among young people.

Drinking trends in the UK | Alcohol Change UK

However, it is possible that whilst overall consumption is declining, there is an increase in specific types of alcohol.

@GlobeTrotter2000 thanks we have had that Brexit benefit already though.

GlobeTrotter2000 · 06/01/2024 10:18

@Talkinpeace 4% margin is insignificant

If you look at the Link provided by KenDodd and ignore the polls where the % difference is 4% or less, it still favours remain. The split is:

2016 Remain 32 and Leave 10

2015 Remain 41 and Leave 1

2014 Remain 7 and Leave 12

2013 Remain 9 and Leave 19

Add up all years and the split is:

Remain 89 and Leave 42. A 2:1 ratio in favour of Remain.

jgw1 · 06/01/2024 10:23

GlobeTrotter2000 · 06/01/2024 10:18

@Talkinpeace 4% margin is insignificant

If you look at the Link provided by KenDodd and ignore the polls where the % difference is 4% or less, it still favours remain. The split is:

2016 Remain 32 and Leave 10

2015 Remain 41 and Leave 1

2014 Remain 7 and Leave 12

2013 Remain 9 and Leave 19

Add up all years and the split is:

Remain 89 and Leave 42. A 2:1 ratio in favour of Remain.

A clear Brexit benefit.

GlobeTrotter2000 · 06/01/2024 10:24

@HannibalHeyes

Regards inflation the latest figures I can find are:

Euronews
France 4%
Germany 3.7%

ONS
UK 3.9%

jgw1 · 06/01/2024 10:27

GlobeTrotter2000 · 06/01/2024 10:24

@HannibalHeyes

Regards inflation the latest figures I can find are:

Euronews
France 4%
Germany 3.7%

ONS
UK 3.9%

So France are winning @GlobeTrotter2000 another Brexit benefit, to go along with the French now being allowed to work from home as a result of Brexit.

Fallenangelofthenorth · 06/01/2024 10:45

Duty free fags at the airport and no longer have to fill in EC sales lists.

Talkinpeace · 06/01/2024 14:47

For those with long memories, BigChocFrenzy sends her best wishes

GlobeTrotter2000 · 06/01/2024 16:31

@HannibalHeyes ‘Everyone cites Covid and Brexit’

But when you read the article, it talks about COVID and other factors such as inflation, shortages of labour. It also records that some of the businesses would have failed anyway, but were propped up with COVID subsidies.

Did Brexit cause COVID? I would say not as COVID was reported in the UK before it left the EU.

Did Brexit cause inflation? Goods from the EU cost more than before Brexit due to a weaker pound. So, it is a contributing factor. However, I would say energy price rises will be a bigger factor as it affects everything along the supply chains.

Did Brexit cause labour shortages? Partly, but other factors such as early retirement since COVID and inactivity by persons out of work not looking play a bigger part as per

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/press/brexit-exacerbated-labour-shortages-in-the-uk-but-is-not-the-only-cause/

Brexit exacerbated labour shortages in the UK, but is not the only cause - Migration Observatory

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/press/brexit-exacerbated-labour-shortages-in-the-uk-but-is-not-the-only-cause/

jgw1 · 06/01/2024 16:37

GlobeTrotter2000 · 06/01/2024 16:31

@HannibalHeyes ‘Everyone cites Covid and Brexit’

But when you read the article, it talks about COVID and other factors such as inflation, shortages of labour. It also records that some of the businesses would have failed anyway, but were propped up with COVID subsidies.

Did Brexit cause COVID? I would say not as COVID was reported in the UK before it left the EU.

Did Brexit cause inflation? Goods from the EU cost more than before Brexit due to a weaker pound. So, it is a contributing factor. However, I would say energy price rises will be a bigger factor as it affects everything along the supply chains.

Did Brexit cause labour shortages? Partly, but other factors such as early retirement since COVID and inactivity by persons out of work not looking play a bigger part as per

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/press/brexit-exacerbated-labour-shortages-in-the-uk-but-is-not-the-only-cause/

Several Brexit benefits in one post. thanks @GlobeTrotter2000

GlobeTrotter2000 · 06/01/2024 16:45

@Fallenangelofthenorth

I know what you mean about duty free tobacco. Cigars that cost £30+ in the UK can be bought for £10+ in Charles de Gaulle and Schiphol airports.

Sell them in the UK for £20+ equates to £500 on the hip every trip. £2K per month tax free if you travel regularly.

As Del Boy would say; lovely jubily

Jason118 · 07/01/2024 11:18

Glad to hear BCF is still around!

DGRossetti · 07/01/2024 11:23

Jason118 · 07/01/2024 11:18

Glad to hear BCF is still around!

+1

Jason118 · 07/01/2024 13:29

And DGR, blast from the past!

Talkinpeace · 07/01/2024 14:31

Lovely to see you DGR and Jason
BigChoc is now fully retired and watching the Rhine burst its banks regularly !

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