Can someone give me one benefit of Brexit.

[Tulipsroses]

It's going to be 4 years since we withdrew our membership in European Union. Apart from the passport colour (some people might prefer) can anyone name one positive change which happened since then.

And like in 1992 at no point before the Leave referendum was the polling conclusive. Even when it predicted a Leave victory a remain win was within the margin of error for that poll.

The margin of error in the current polling is from Labour having just shy of an outright majority to the Tories ending up with 55 seats, for some reason people only seem to like to look at the headlines. Do details confuse them?

https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/

I just looked up about reduced tariffs on Indian food.
It does appear to be correct
https://www.traverssmith.com/knowledge/knowledge-container/brexit-has-anything-got-cheaper
BUT
As Indian restaurants can no longer get chefs due to mad income rules
it rather negates that one.

I am pleased to see that the squirrels are still here. They taste good deep fried when cold weather comes.

Do we know if the tariff reduction has actually been past on to consumers, or is it like when VAT is reduced or removed on an item that someone in the supply chain makes more money and the price remains the same?

@jgw1
The reductions are low enough that inflation and freight costs will have wiped them out.
Prices to consumers did not drop.

Large cod and chips is over £14 in our local now. Over £12 for regular and over £11 for a small (small cod with regular chips)

So we won't be having those in 2024.

Thanks Brexit!

@jgw1 @Kendodd @HannibalHeyes

I have been rereading this whole thread. When you wade through the posts from@GlobeTrotter2000 I think we are all in violent agreement. At first I thought that Globe was a Brexit supporter, however quite a lot of the evidence provided by Globe supports that Brexit was a bad thing. The lack of evidence that Brexit was a good thing does too.

Couple this with the complete disregard of the period between the referendum and the deal being signed / actual withdrawal, and Globe's own reiterated point that the Conservative party had promised to act on the result, one can only draw the conclusion that Globe is highlighting the period where most of the downsides arose.

Admittedly, the repetition of non evidence obfuscates this a bit which was why I didn't see it to begin with.

Speaking of non sequiturs (for which @GlobeTrotter2000 is famous), here's another one:
2019 - revoke Brexit petition topped 6 million, but votes for the LibDem party were 3.7 million

Despite advertising, not everyone who opposed Brexit voted LD.

Non-sequiturs and obfuscation are the latest tools of the shills, unfortunately...

This is hilarious!

https://twitter.com/g_gosden/status/1742218173267550233

That's so funny. But even funnier are the comments below from people taking it seriously 😆

Bests Wifi password I ever saw was in an apartment building
standing by the Elevator I could see 21 routers (three floors of the building)
one of which was called "GetYourOwnFuckingWifi"

Here's a Brexit benefit! The Turing scheme!

Oh...

@Kendodd Just to correct you on polling before the referendum. Polls did not predict Remain would win, they flip flopped regularly between Leave and Remain. This is yet another Leave lie

There was a flip flop bewteen Leave and Remain. However, if you add up the % figures for the 2016 table, there is a cumulative figure of 279 in favour for remain.

For the 2015 table, the cumulative figure in favour of remain is 489

For the 2014 table, the cumulative figure in favour of Leave is 27

For the 2013 table, the cumulative figure in favour of Leave is 179

Add all the tables together, the cumulative figure in favour of remain is 562

Likewise, the Poll of Polls table shows all in favour of remain except, one which was equal between Leave and Remain.

So, I would say from the data you have referenced, remain was more favoured than leave.

@GlobeTrotter2000 is this a benefit of Brexit?

@Zonder Despite advertising, not everyone who opposed Brexit voted LD

LD were the only clear Party to revoke Article 50 if elected in 2019. So, why did those who opposed Brexit not vote LD in the 2019 GE? The poster HappiestSleeping agrees that an opportunity was missed.

Also, so far, nobody answered my question:

What was so horrible in the LD manifesto which persuaded remain supporters to give up the opportunity to cancel Brexit?

@jgw1 @GlobeTrotter2000is this a benefit of Brexit?

Not meant to either an advantage or disadvantage, but a correction to KenDodds attempt at a correction to an earlier post that polls were suggesting the result of the referendum would be to remain.

The samples in the link provided by KenDodd were measured in a few thousand and in some cases less than 1,000. The largest was 20,000, the second largest 11,000 and the third was 4,700.

The point being that extrapolation of a few thousand over 45+ million is risky

At the end of the day there is more than just Brexit to vote on and by 2019 we had already had the referendum. LD are too right wing for me and many of my friends, and we all remember what happened when they joined the coalition with the Tories and how many of their policies went out of the window.

Plus it is too risky trying to get LD in instead of Tories nationally - they are always well in 3rd place. Unless you're voting tactically to GTTO in a specific area.

Surely you must be able to understand this?

@HappiestSleeping however quite a lot of the evidence provided by Globe supports that Brexit was a bad thing

Not sure how you come to that conclusion. Might have been bad for some, but I am not convinced that the entire population is worse off than before solely due to Brexit.

As I posted earlier, I have not experienced any significant noticable ups or downs since the UK left the EU.

@HappiestSleeping The lack of evidence that Brexit was a good thing does too.

The phrase "Innocent until proven guilty" applies. So, your logic has flaws as follows:

1. That you do not think there is evidence that Brexit was a good thing, does not prove there is not evidence for others. Maybe the 17.4 million who voted leave have different reasons for their vote?

2. That there may not be evidence that an event produced a positive does not prove it has to be a negative by default.

3. As you have been affected directly by Brexit (loss of job not long before retirement), I would consider your comments/opinions/views to be subjective rather than objective, but at the same time understandable. For example, would the parents of a murdered child vote guilty or not guilty if they were on the jury?

As UK has left the EU, it is now the task of those who wish the UK to rejoin the EU, to prove with evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, that people are worse off solely due to Brexit.

@HappiestSleeping Couple this with the complete disregard of the period between the referendum and the deal being signed / actual withdrawal..

The above period has to be discarded as Brexit had not happened in this period. UK remained in the EU until 31 January 2020 with a transition period to 31 December 2020. However, as per the Treasury Report issued before the referendum, the UK's demise would commence Q3 of 2016 (8 days after the referendum) by a vote to leave and would be trashed by Q3 of 2018 whilst still in the EU.

Lastly, good luck with your job search in 2024. I can't comment on your sector, but in mine, immediate availability seems to generate a lot more interest compared to when notice periods are required.

@Zonder Surely you must be able to understand this?

No. I don't.

If Brexit was certain to destroy the UK, how could the LD's being in power be worse? Would it not be worth putting up with them for 5 years just to cancel Brexit?

LD's will always be in third place if people take the approach:

LD's will never win, so let's not vote for them.

Many (with some justification I would say) are critical of the FPTP voting system used for GE. I don't remember either of the parties, Conservative or Labour, campaigning for some form of PR system.

"LD's will always be in third place if people take the approach:

LD's will never win, so let's not vote for them."

I take it you've never met the voting public. That is exactly what they say. I don't know what they're like in Russia, but they keep voting for Putin there as well. (Actually, I do have a bit of an idea, but not enough to base an overall judgement on).

Anyway - here's another wonderful benefit!

https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/crime/unprecedented-volumes-of-illegal-meat-seized-at-dover

Not sure how you come to that conclusion. Might have been bad for some, but I am not convinced that the entire population is worse off than before solely due to Brexit.

I'm sure your employers tell you otherwise but just repeating certain phrases does not make them true.

I understand that JRM is better off as a result of Brexit, and then moved his business to Ireland. Is that the kind of Brexit benefit we should all be pleased about and toss our caps in the air to celebrate?

@HannibalHeyes

I suggest you read the article you have provided in more detail. The meat originated from:

Poland - Already an EU member

Romania - Already an EU member

Moldova - Not yet an EU member, but EU has given candidate status

Ukraine - Not yet an EU member, but EU has given candidate status

So, both EU members and aspiring EU members are producing illegal meat? How is that the fault of Brexit?

The route from Romania to Dover is;

Hungary, Austria, Germany, Belgium and France.

See the link

Lowestoft: 'Illegally imported' food seized from Romania | Eastern Daily Press (edp24.co.uk)

So, there were no checks done in any of the EU member states through which the meat was transported. This highlights the risks of open borders and the assumption that all club members will play ball and follow the club rules.

It could be a coincidence, but the offending members/aspiring members are all located in Eastern Europe.

@Zonder but just repeating certain phrases does not make them true.

Does that logic apply to remain supporter phrases too? I remember the same phrases since 2016, seven and half years ago.