Can someone give me one benefit of Brexit.

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It's going to be 4 years since we withdrew our membership in European Union. Apart from the passport colour (some people might prefer) can anyone name one positive change which happened since then.

@Zonder Remain argued the EU referendum was advisory

True they did, but it was after the result was to Leave.

Why did they not say it was advisory before 23 June 2016?

Why did the booklet sent to each UK household not make reference to the 2015 EU Referendum Act and make it clear the referendum was advisory?

If the referendum was intended to be advisory, why did the booklet, which advocated to remain in the EU, include the wording:

This is your decision, The Government will implement what you decide

The link you have provided includes:

A UK referendum will only have the force of law if the Act setting it up says so.

This condition was satisfied by the wording

The Government will implement what you decide

In simple terms:

Offer + Acceptance = A binding contract.

The link also says:

In practical terms this would mean someone would be able to go to court to make the government implement the result

Attempts by remain supporters to overturn the result through the UK courts was acknowledgement by remain that the referendum had the force of law. If the referendum was advisory, referral to the courts would not not be possible because a binding contract would not have existed.

This is why I never understood the calls for a second referendum. If the Goverment were entitled to ignore the first, would they not also be entitled to ignore the second?

Or were remain supporters applying:

Whilst we did not accept the result of the first referendum, we will accept the result of a second referendum if it is to remain?

James Cleverly made that comment on the 40th anniversary episode of QT

That's a all lovely @GlobeTrotter2000. Is there any chance you could stick to the OP of the thread, which was asking if there were any benefits of brexit.

We have had a rather unconvincing argument that it means the French can work from home, other than that the list has been rather bare.

Oh dear @GlobeTrotter2000 were you not able to read the link I sent?

Anyway moving back to the topic, as @jgw1 has reminded us, I have thought of another benefit. We now have more stamps in our passports from going to EU countries. That's exciting, isn't it?

A very typical response of a Tory shill.

I will ignore your facts and just keep endlessly repeating the same unmitigated bullshit that I have been spewing forth for the past umpteen pages...

@jgw1 That's a all lovely @GlobeTrotter2000. Is there any chance you could stick to the OP of the thread, which was asking if there were any benefits of brexit.

My post was a reply to ZONDER regards the referendum being advisory. A pointless debate considering the UK left the EU 31 Jan 2020.

@jgw1 We have had a rather unconvincing argument that it means the French can work from home, other than that the list has been rather bare.

The French energy company I work for has more non-EU than EU nationals in both their London and Paris offices. France is part of Schengen. Therefore, the non-EU persons must follow the 90/180 Schengen guideline. This is what has created what is termed hybrid working.

Both the EU and UK benefit from hybrid working as it reduces office costs. Likewise time lost due to commuting is reduced.

@Zonder Oh dear @GlobeTrotter2000were you not able to read the link I sent?

I read the link. Hence I was able to quote from the link. Considering the UK left the EU 31 Jan 2020 and the transition period ended 31 Dec 2020, I can't work why discussion of the 2016 referendum being advisory helps?

If, for example, tomorrow morning it was determined by UK courts the referendum held seven and half years ago was not binding, what would happen next?

Would the UK become an EU member again overnight? If so, would they have to pay contributions to the EU back dated to the time UK left. Would the EU refund the money IK paid to leave? Would EU invoice the UK for the costs they incurred to accommodate Brext?

The list could go on forever.

@Zonder I have thought of another benefit. We now have more stamps in our passports from going to EU countries. That's exciting, isn't it?

For people who work outside the UK, stamps in their passport are helpful if there is any question over where they are resident and where they should pay tax.

Another benefit of leaving the EU is that UK neither Goverment nor MP's can blame the EU for UK problems. When in a large committee/group. it is a bit too easy to pass the book/blame to someone else.

My post was a reply to ZONDER regards the referendum being advisory. A pointless debate considering the UK left the EU 31 Jan 2020

Hmm now, who was it who brought up the subject of the referendum being advisory? Hmm let me think. Here's a little screenshot to help you remember.

It was stupid of Cameron to say that he would implement the result, because had the vote been for Remain, it would have been business as usual. There would be nothing to implement. It wouldn't have shut Farage and the Brexiters up though.

@Zonder Hmm now, who was it who brought up the subject of the referendum being advisory? Hmm let me think. Here's a little screenshot to help you remember.

Where in the screenshot does it say I agree or disagree the 2016 referendum was advisory?

Another benefit of leaving the EU is that UK neither Goverment nor MP's can blame the EU for UK problems.

For once I agree with you. The lazy excuse that it's all the EU's fault has now gone. Most of our problems originate with Westminster.

Not that it shuts the Brexiters up. They now want to pull out of the ECHR - despite the fact that Churchill, one of their heroes, was instrumental in its setting up. For the very valid reason, having seen the horrors perpetrated in WW2, there was a real desire to avoid that happening again.

@Peregrina It was stupid of Cameron to say that he would implement the result, because had the vote been for Remain, it would have been business as usual.

But, according to some remain supporters, that Cameron (UK PM at the time) said he would implement the result does not change the "fact" that the referendum was advisory.

I would say it was binding based on the wording:

This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide

MP's could have voted not to trigger Article 50, but that would have violated the above wording as well

@Peregrina It wouldn't have shut Farage and the Brexiters up though

I agree. Just in the same way remain supporters have howled to overturn the leave vote even though could have done so in the 2019 GE

It was politically binding, rather than legally binding.
However, this is now rather a sterile argument. Brexit has happened. The Brexiters don't like it any more than Remain voters do. Funny that.

@Peregrina Most of our problems originate with Westminster.

This point was raised on QT a few weeks ago. One of the audience asked how can MP's, who live in 10 Million pounds house, relate to the average person in the street.

UK PM's are mostly white males from privilleged backgrounds. Being Oxford educated seems to be compulsory to be a UK PM.

Does France also have a housing shortage with all these people having homes in both Paris and London? and is that a Brexit benefit?

2 of the last 5, PMs have been white males.

If one adds in Oxford educated the 3 of the last 9 fulfil all your criteria.

Strange things facts.

Though if you separate out Oxford-educated as a single aspect, 7 out of the last 9 qualify. That really is a lot.

So also not compulsory, and the next Prime Minister won't fit that criteria either.

The screenshot shows it was you who brought up the subject of the referendum being advisory. You really do like your non sequiturs don't you?

Precisely.

In fairness to Leave voters most I've seen, they thought they were voting to leave the ECHR in the first place. Or to quote one person 'end all this 'human rights' nonsense'.

@Zonder Zonder · 13/12/2023 09:53

Governments are obliged to implement the results of GE and Referendums

A referendum is not binding.

Has anyone found any more benefits of Brexit other than a housing crisis in Paris?

What are you trying to prove with this post? It was I was responding to even back then! You brought up the referendum and whether it was advisory or not. Still you derailing back then, not me.

I'm beginning to think it's a comprehension issue not just a love of non sequiturs!

A referendum is not binding.

This depends on the Act passed by Parliament. It appears to me that each Referendum we have held has had different rules, sometimes looking as though they were drafted on the back of an envelope. If they wanted to make it legally binding, they should specify so in the Act.

@jgw1 Has anyone found any more benefits of Brexit other than a housing crisis in Paris?

Take a look at this link

Housing crisis in paris - Recherche Google

The headline was

Housing crisis: Are you prepared to wait 6 months to rent a studio in Paris? It takes six months on average before being able to rent a furnished studio apartment in Paris, according to recent data. Many European cities are facing a crisis when it comes to the number of flats up for grabs in an ever-growing population.

Is the ever-growing population a result of Brexit?