Can someone give me one benefit of Brexit.

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It's going to be 4 years since we withdrew our membership in European Union. Apart from the passport colour (some people might prefer) can anyone name one positive change which happened since then.

Better fish quota from UK territorial waters.

My DS works full time in a warehouse loading up lorries for delivery and his wages used to be minimum wage now it's £2.20 per hour above minimum wage as a lot of EU workers decided to go back to their own countries. I asked him and he thinks he would still be on MW without Brexit.

Apart from 2 problems:-

1. The quotas exist to ensure sustainable stock in order that fishing is possible for future generations.
2. A good proportion of our cod comes from Norwegian waters that we will have less access to.

Reports of 25% are still supporting Brexit. Means 75% against it now.

That makes assumptions such as:

Everyone who is eligble to vote will vote. Cleary not the case as evidenced by the 72% turnout in 2016 and typical 66% turnout in GE.

Opinion polls conducted on small numbers of people can be extrapolated to represent the entire electorate. That opinion polls are often wrong suggests that extraplotion cannot be relied upon.

The 2016 referendum was meant to produce a remain result. Hence the reason Cameron made no plan for a leave vote.

Polls show an easy vote winner and yet no one will touch it

That tells me MPs consider polls to be unreliable based on previous events.

fact check politicians and hold them to account when they're telling a pack of lies. Clearly the HoC isn't able to do that, and the Speaker either can't or won't.

Boris was taken to court over the 350Million pledge for the NHS, but the case was dismissed.

The speaker, John Bercow, was biased I thought.

Germany is the sick of paying for Europe man.
Germans are among the least happy bunch in Europe, reporting the biggest shock drop in life satisfaction over the last 10 years of any country in the EU, data shows.
Research by Eurostat, the EU's stats agency, took a year-by-year measure of satisfaction between 2013 and 2022, asking Europeans to rate how they were doing on a scale from zero to 10.
Germans have seen the most dramatic shift downwards, self-reporting an average of 7.3 in 2013 down to just 6.5 last year as the country heads for a deeper recession -- making them the second most miserable on the continent overall.

#dexit might be round the corner

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12840835/Miserable-Germans-second-grumpiest-EU-study-shows-economy-heads-recession-government-faces-budget-crisis.html#comments

The 2016 referendum was meant to produce a remain result. Hence the reason Cameron made no plan for a leave vote.

None of them made a plan for a leave vote. Not even the leavers. Not a single one of them had a plan. Not a single one.

None of them made a plan for a leave vote

I remember the scenes at the time very well. Voters in Sunderland looked jubilant. Gove and Johnson looked gobsmacked.

I wonder whether Sunderland is enjoying its Brexit now?

None of them made a plan for a leave vote. Not even the leavers. Not a single one of them had a plan. Not a single one.

Going over old ground, but let's remember the following:

The 2016 referendum was put on the table by the UK PM, David Cameron, who supported remain. The booklet sent to each household detailed why the UK government considered it was best for UK to remain in the EU. However, the booklet also made the statement:

A once in a generation decision

The referendum on Thursday, 23 June is your chance to decide if we should remain in or leave the European Union.

The government believes it is in the best interests of the UK to remain in the EU.

This is the way to protect jobs, provide security, and strengthen the UK’s economy for every family in this country – a clear path into the future, in contrast to the uncertainty of leaving.

This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide.

Link is

[Withdrawn] Why the government believes that voting to remain in the EU is the best decision for the UK - with references - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
So, making a plan to deliver the result was the task of goverment to implement, not of those who voted leave.

The statement, A once in a generation decision, suggests* *that remain supporters in Goverment were certain the vote would be to remain,

Cameron walked away from his promises without recourse, but re-appears 7 years later!

I wonder whether Sunderland is enjoying its Brexit now?

Maybe look at this link:

Six years since Brexit - How Sunderland constituents would vote TODAY if EU Referendum was held again (sunderlandecho.com)

Every has a right to vote its bot basd don a person's intelligence. Lets stop calling people thick or stupid, people typically vote for what they believe is in their best interest even if its based on one single issue for them. Happens in every election.

I'm not sure what point you are making here? You don't address that none of the leave side had a plan either. None of them stepped up and said "right, we've won. Here's what we're going to do".

It was a 'once in a generation decision', it won't happen again in my lifetime I suspect.

I'm not really bothered about how Sunderland would vote again now. Or anyone else for that matter. All I know is that I am now unemployed, largely as a result of brexit, and the Trussterfuck last year.

I'm not actually a bitter as I may sound as it is the way democracy works. It is done, and it's time to get on. I'm sure that there are some who have benefited (of us mere mortals I mean, not the elite and the wealthy who either benefited massively, or have so much money they don't care), and over time, it may well even out. It is the period of instability between the vote and the signing of a deal, the fact that the deal was shit, and however long it takes for the dust to settle that will be a bit tedious to endure.

And the fact that Cameron is back in the cabinet just shows how desperate Sunak is.

If it weren't so serious, it would be a good case study in watching an entire government implode. There is every chance the tory party will split. That will be interesting to watch. I wait with interest to see what happens with the Rwanda bill next week, while I ponder on whether Jenrick quit because he thinks the bill is too shit, or not shit enough.

Dutch boats electrify the fish causing fat more overfishing in UK waters.

Actually, other than pulse fishing, electric fishing has been banned since the 90s.

Pulse fishing is regarded by many as being sustainable, but even that was banned by the EU in 2021, so no the Dutch don't do this.

@caringcarer and how much per hour has fuel gone up by? And food inflation. Our inflation is much higher than Europe

Besides which, who sold UK quota's to Dutch trawlers?

That would be the fishermen themselves in the 90s. Not only to the Dutch either.

Its the will of the people.

Following the Leave vote, they continued to not make plans. Instead they devoted their energy to infighting and stretching our democracy to breaking point.

I remember when Liz Truss became PM. There was a sense that, at last we would see the plan for post Brexit Britain. Then she did her Mini Budget. Her plan to borrow to fund tax cuts laid bare the fact that Britain still had no strategy for growth, 6 years after the vote. Bang went our economy, reputation abroad and confidence in the UK.😱

They spent their time, as the Brexiters on this thread are doing now, complaining about Remoaners, instead of getting stuck in and implementing Brexit. Which of course they couldn't do, because there were umpteen different versions.

I am now pretty sick of Brexiters and their whining. They cite Vaccines, Ukraine, blah de blah - not around when the vote happened. Anti -immigration, especially of brown and black skinned people - yes. Wanting to stick it to Cameron and his austerity - yes. (Pity but he's back now, and already embroiled in arguments.)

What's happened with levelling up? We haven't got the nasty EU telling us how to spend our money now. Have the right wing Tories and their mates spent all of our money which could have been used for it? It looks like.

And you know what? After the 1975 vote where it was a convincing vote to stay in, Farage and Co started on and on about the EU. Well, we can go on about rejoining if we wish.

The only thing I can think of in favour is that the Lazy excuse that it's All the EU's fault has now gone.

People can talk about rejoining, although the SM is more likely first imo

Do people write to their MP about it? Is there a response

It feels completely off the agenda now and I’m wondering why

My MP is the Dishonourable member for Riyadh and Moscow and since I am not offering to pay his daughters school fees he doesn't respond to my letters.

It really is amazing isn't it? I'm not sure I agree about Liz Truss engendering a sense that she had any plan, even before she proved that she didn't. Ironically, she didn't actually do anything apart from expose the complete inadequacy of the Conservative party. Nothing was enacted really, and yet it was sufficient to send the markets into a frenzy.

I don't take this view, but in the interest of balance, I wonder whether her plan might have worked had she gone about implementing it in a more sensible manner (I.e. telling the cabinet, the OBR etc). I doubt it, but the way she went about it was more arrogant than Cameron holding the referendum.

I can't find a builder who charges less than £200 a day! It's way more than I earn a day! I'm glad they all charge more now because there is less of them but for me it means my house work cannot be done I can't afford it

The whole Mini Budget sent the market into a frenzy on multiple levels.

1. "Trickle Down Economics" doesn't work.
2. Borrowing to fund tax cuts is borrowing to bribe voters, not invest in the economy.
3. Removing the cap on banker bonuses showed us putting all our eggs in one basket.
4. The announcements of tax cuts and banker bonus were completely tone deaf in the economic climate. Soon after this nurses and doctors went on strike for the first time ever.
5. There was nothing, absolutely nothing, about Britain's plan for growth post-Brexit. Nothing about how Britian would gain from leaving the EU. Nothing about investment needed to make up for what we lost and give us an edge.
6. Any overseeing body would have vetoed this on sight. Any A-level Economics class would have vetoed it within 3 periods.

It was never going to work. It was a total fucking horror show delivered in a teeny tiny speech.

Yup, even Kwasi told her it would not work. Shame he didn't have more backbone.

And the fact that she isn't hiding away in the background forever more tells us everything we need to know.

It's more difficult to sell fish to the EU now because of the extra bureaucracy.