Brexit mega thread : part 9 : Winter is Coming

[Chevyimpala67]

Part 10 of our long running thread.

Not sure what to say, really, other than it is worse than I feared.

Strap in, folks. It's gonna be a rough ride...

On a lighter note, and sorry I can't link to it but the Indy100 (as a link from the Independent I think) has a 'Muppet Show' video of Ms Truss and her salad (is this a downgrade from Thatcher and her vegetables?.

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Link to the Muppet Show video. It's excellent
https://twitter.com/exiled_sinners/status/1581592168644296704?s=48&t=3UqF56wthsc7tcyAGENqlQ

Thanks Prettybird.
From my quick look at this morning's 'news' I have a thought about the Tory proposed 'enterprise zones'.
The Fail (yes I know) has a report of a Chinese pro democracy protester being dragged into an embassy 'compound' and being beaten. As I believe (and the reaction of the policeman trying to assist 'confirms') the land and buildings enclosed by ambasadorial property is 'legally China (whichever country embassy is being discussed).So my concern would be the legal status of the new enterprise zones as they are already proposed to be 'tax exempt'. Depending on the details for these zones it is possible the UK would sell out UK sovereign land and in so doing enable foreign 'owners' to have total control with no recourse to UK law. A very dangerous precedent. Diplomatic immunity is a very powerful and if the owners of the enterprise zones negotiate Immunity the results could be terrifying. Just think of the American woman who killed a cyclist last year and the journalist murdered in Saudi(?) Looking at the Australian and Japanese trade deals would you trust the Tories to get the details of this correct?

Sorry to continue but the 'incident' was in Manchester and is also reported in the Independent. It will be interesting to see what diplomatic noises are made as Ms Truss and her wonderful pork markets, not to mention other delicate issues may well be coming to a head. See also reports about chinese made smart meters that MIGHT enable 'entities' other than electricity companies supplying electricity in the UK to remotely switch off consumer's power. Interesting is that Iain Duncan Smith appears to be speaking like a responsible grown up over both of these issues.

Ms Truss will have seen that and thought to herself "now there's an idea !". Probably called up Suella to ask "How can we do that ?"

I see chunt is u turning on pretty much every policy from the Mini budget which was - hard to believe - only days ago.

Blimey.

I mean, I get it. He's got to. Trussenomics have trashed the UK economy.

Pretty fundamental judgement on the PM though.

The "Enterprise Zones" are basically the Charter Cities model so beloved of the Grease-Smugs. Byline times has an article on them. TL:DR they are an abomination in anything that claims to be a democracy...

(I know Chris Grey seems to think they won't be charter cities, but I think this libertarian government is bound to have that as it's ultimate destination)

With each new announcement, the financial markets have a 'wobble' so the ERG get more dividends. Like those penny falls machines in arcades each announcement up or down shoves more coins to them. So what will tomorrows announcement be?

Satan
@SpeakingSatan
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Sep 5
UK: Brexit
USA: Trump
UK: Johnson
USA: I don't wanna play now.
UK: Truss
USA: ffs UK. Go home, you've had enough.

Argh… not bloody austerity again. This didn’t work out well for most people last time. Newly appointed advisors to Hunt.

Rupert Harrison, an architect behind the former chancellor’s austerity drive, will provide advice on economic policy as Liz Truss’s government battles to repair the damage to its reputation after the mini-budget

The chancellor said Harrison would make an important contribution as he pushed to find billions of pounds in budget savings from tax changes and spending cuts

Rupert Harrison, in particular, has enormous experience of running the Treasury under George Osborne,” he told the Commons

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@ILeclercreturn
There is an Imperial precedent for a parcel of land in another country owned and operated by Britain - Hong Kong is an example.

I suppose you could say the entire history of the East India Company was similar.

Obviously, the dynamic tends to involve a relatively powerful party and a relatively powerless party.

It's interesting that the idea is being presented as an economic opportunity, and a positive. Whoever is doing the spin deserves a big bonus.

Imperialism was great (for some in the UK) while it lasted but my point now is that the UK is in a phase of 'crash and burn' so the tables are turned and as the UK government is demonstrably uncaring about the 'common person' in the UK the developments need watching closely. The Chinese government and Qatar are not exactly known for exemplary human rights.
For what it is worth, an antisocial person on another thread I have commented on is trying to get me banned from MN, so I might disappear. They were deliberately twisting things I had posted.

Matthew Taylor, chief executive of the NHS Confederation, said that Hunt, a former health secretary, would be familiar with pressures on the organisation but warned of a funding gap that could reach £20bn by 2024-25

"The prospect of further cuts and having to identify even more savings is incredibly grim. If that happens, with 132,000 vacancies, crumbling estates and soaring waiting lists, we are at a point where a serious conversation is needed about what the NHS can realistically and safely deliver. This is his [Hunt’s] moment of truth,” said Taylor

I’m feeling a bit cut-n-paste these days but reading comments like these in combination with Hunt as chancellor, the comments about finding savings, the new No 11 team along with Hunt’s previous rep as Health minister makes me nervous. We’re definitely being ‘softened up’ by numerous stories in advance of being told that the NHS is not fit for purpose, that it’s run out of money and that there must be a new system to deliver health care.

They wouldn’t wholesale privatise the NHS as that’d be a vote killer but they’d go for an insurance type system and then totally f that up for us.

It would be a poorly thought out and badly implemented change that would end up costing more than the NHS currently does and perhaps have to eventually backtrack to an even worse system. However, in the meantime, they’d make damn sure to enrich their pockets as well as those of their private health and insurance company mates.

Is there any examples of large-scale successfully run govt projects of late? And no, the covid vaccine doesn’t qualify as an example. Yet, there’s quite a few examples of spectacularly expensive yet failed govt run projects.

And I agree with @ILeclercreturn that currently the UK government is demonstrably uncaring about the 'common person' in the UK as the party is in free fall they’ll do and say anything to save the party. Ironically you’d think they’d save themselves by caring about the common voter person, but they play to a more rarified audience.

Brexitoryism actually drives its supporters bonkers:

twitter.com/john4brexit/status/1582144260283170817?s=20&t=SQsXUkWR6yznWGHALnS7iw

We will soon find out if this coup is the Rejoiner cabal creating misery and poverty for the people of Britain simply in order to claim Brexit was to blame

{TheElementsSong · Today 09:43} Rejoiner cabal

Not picking on you in the slightest Elements but your 'quote' neatly highlights a significant problem. The UK has been conditioned to be more tribal in the last few years where the expressions 'Remainer, Brexiteer 'Lefty' and so on are being used to define various groups but with a sneer and used in a derogatory way.
Curiously Right wing seems to be inherently 'diluted' to have the implied meaning of 'Rightward leaning' (more like it was used say 30 years ago indicating towards the other end of the spectrum from socialist). Being a 'moderate is not good enough these days, you have to be a full on communist or National Socialist (trying not to use the name of an extreme 'non Communist').
Looking at 'world' news and considering it's impact on the UK does not bode well for the UK with it's almost complete lack of government and direction.
RAF pilots being hired by the Chinese is another interesting 'twist' reported this morning. Effectively buying 'insider knowledge of the West's airforces tactics and technology.
Meanwhile the MSM are pontificating over Liz Truss's hairstyle or will she leave this week. For those unaware of him, look out for Matt Green comedy. He had a brilliant version of the Hunt (Chancellor) 'speach yesterday.

RAF pilots being hired by the Chinese is another interesting 'twist' reported this morning. Effectively buying 'insider knowledge of the West's airforces tactics and technology.

And well done on them. Just following the examples of MPs who go off and become consultants to foreign firms. And if that means the US has to be more circumspect about what technology it lets the UK know about. Well that's how the markets work.

{And if that means the US has to be more circumspect about what technology it lets the UK know about}
I forget the details now but the 'servicing' of higher end military hardware is already heavily restricted where (I think) UK jets that were built in the USA have to be serviced at USA run 'airbases' in Turkey or somewhere. Logical if you consider it contains the 'knowledge' to the USA and allies. The 'new' F35 fighters (pilots) have not got to China (yet) but it is verging on a '007 plot' (theft of super hi tech planes).

Led by Donkeys doing a good one on 55 Tufton Street

Many years ago, in a role, the workers were forbidden to trade in shares without the approval of their bosses because they had access to "price sensitive information"

However the bosses who could (and did) require those staff to prepare the same information for them in a report were not covered.

When unions got involved, the management explained that it was because the management were a better class of people and so could be trusted.

Now this was 1986 and went down like a lead balloon. However the thing I noted was that the age of the management team peddling this idea was bottomed at about 22 years old. Younger than me and nodding like a fucking Churchill dog in agreement.

You only need to do some basic arithmetic (any passing Brexiteers can ask a child to help them) to say 22+36= 58. Or in other words still in a role to this day.

When I say things are getting worse, it's only what I'm seeing.

Anyway this was a long walk to get to the point that what's OK for MPs (and no one has questioned what they are selling to their new masters) is OK for fighter pilots.

Thanks HanibalHeyes.
Looks like I am going to have to start drinking at lunchtime today.
Whilst there are obviously problems in the EU, the UK is already at the 'Oh Shit' level.