to still be angry about Brexit?

[mrsmootoo]

I've mentioned this before and got shot down - 'move on', 'we won, you lost', 'red wall was justified', 'democracy' (although as Brexiter David Davis said, democracies can change their minds) etc etc. Anyway, if anything I am even more angry now than in 2016! Seeing queues at Dover/airports etc (I know not only down to Brexit, but it makes it worse) just reinforced it. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons here, but am just interested in whether other people are still as furious as I am. (And I do know it's not doing my stress levels any good!)

You really are being incredibly provocative @JosephineGH. As someone whose life apparently isn’t affected by this, maybe have the good manners to leave the discussion to those of us who have to deal with the consequences.

The difference being that those picking fruit here now are on very short contracts and will return home - suitably paid in comparison with the terrible wages in the Far East.
Those from the EU however had full access to our generous benefits, pensions, child credit, schools, healthcare etc and need never go home.
That is a huge difference.

I'm not angry anymore, because I left the UK over Brexit and am much happier living in the EU now. But I do still think it's immensely sad, and am appalled at how much the Tories are still lying to the country about the inevitable consequences of what they've done.

Yes, we have cost of living increases here in mainland Europe, but there are far, far bigger problems in the UK. Anyone pretending it's the same as everywhere else is either misinformed or kidding themselves. Brexit is an utter shitshow, and will continue to be until a sensible deal is negotiated (i.e. one that brings the UK back into the single market at the very least, not the nonsense Liz Truss wangs on about).

@Festoonlights I'm more than happy to give you an extensive list of what I miss - but fear I may bore everyone who feels like you senseless!

I’m still angry - and upset for the younger people who will never have the opportunities we took for granted.

@Festoonlights on the other hand- you could be the first person to maybe come up with an extensive list of benefits the rest of us who dont feel like you are missing!!

95% of people who voted for Brexit are either Bigots or idiots, you cannot convince me otherwise.

The post wanting to scrap the HRA says it all really.

Food prices will continue to spiral, there will be endless employment gaps, we will continue to be shafted by trade deals etc but it's ok... because we don't want the Muslims and Ted Heath lied. Utterly ridiculous.

I also think with the majority having been that slim there should have been another vote.

Those from the EU however had full access to our generous benefits, pensions, child credit, schools, healthcare etc and need never go home

If that’s why anyone came here they hadn’t done their homework. They’d have been far better off going to a Scandinavian country.

I can tell you what I miss.
I miss my students being able to know that they can go on their year abroad without anxiety, without things falling through because they can't get a Visa. I miss knowing that the less well-off students will be OK because they will be supported by Erasmus [the middle-class/ wealthier students will always be OK, because their parents will pay - the poorer students won't be]. I miss welcoming European students and the added perspectives that they gave to classes here. I miss being able to apply for European funding and being confident that it would be honoured if the grant were awarded. I miss the plans I had of retiring to France. I feel desperately sorry for a friend's son who has just missed out on a fantastic job opportunity because he doesn't have an EU passport.
That's for starters. And that's just from one individual in specific circumstances. All of us have our own lists.

But go on - what specific freedom would you miss if we were to rejoin?

Yes I’m still angry, mostly at all wasted wasted time energy and resources which have been expended over the last 6 years. Also at the loss of opportunities for my dc . We are lucky enough to be in a position to be considering moving to a European country at least part time , if won’t solve everything but it helps . All three of my dc are thinking of moving overseas, they say they just don’t feel this country has much to offer them or even wants them .

I’ve read the thread and found very little evidence from Leave supporters on how life in the UK is better since Brexit. I’d love to know. Please tell us. We’ll wait….

And that worked Vice Versa! Freedom of Movement has been the lifeblood of the NHS for YEARS. European doctors, nurses etc have been treating patients for decades. That's gone now. Do we feel the full impact of it? Not immediately but in the next ten years we will.

That's not just NHS that will be EVERY occupation. The rights of the Eastern European 'fruit pickers' were as important as the rights of the Spanish nurses. Now both are gone.

Why the fuck shouldn't they have enjoyed those benefits? Are they not good enough to be a part of our society?

When people come out with "move on" or "you lost, get over it" they're betraying their own ignorance, talking about Brexit like it's in the past when the damage done will be felt for generations. It was always obvious that a lot of people had no clue what they were voting for, even the architects of the Vote Leave campaign couldn't offer a clear explanation for what they were selling. I've yet to meet a single Leave voter who could explain coherently why they believe Brexit is a positive thing, the response is always some vague musings about "taking back control" or outright xenophobia.

I am still angry about the way politicians and the right wing press stoked division and fear during the referendum, leading to a rise in hate crimes and anti-immigrant sentiment post-brexit. The children I work with who have come here as refugees or asylum seekers increasingly report experiencing hostility, which many of us who voted remain predicted as the Daily Mail reading, GB news watching, Farage loving bigots feel their views have been legitimised by Brexit. But I doubt many Leave voters would see that as a problem.

I'm still waiting to be told one good thing that has happened due to Brexit. All I ever get told is "we've taken back control" which is just meaningless. We are getting more illegal immigrants than ever before. And even the famous blue passports turn out to be black - and made in the EU!

Anyone from the EU wanting to set up in another EU country has to be able to support themselves and their families for three months. They cannot apply for any benefits within that time. Study after study has shown that immigrants contribute far more in tax than they take in benefits, especially as the vast majority are of working age. No wonder we have a staffing crisis in the NHS now.

'Our generous benefits...' jeez f#estoonlights do you have any idea what benefits are like in continental European countries? In Germany, unemployment benefits take the form they do in the UK from the start once you've been unemployed for two years; until then they're considerably more generous.

Here in Belgium, where I now live - having left the UK partly b/o the sort of ignorant nonsense you wrote there - they are more generous still.

Plus, most of the European seasonal workers wanted to go home in order to exploit the effect of the exchange rates - their pitiful fruitpickers' salaries were worth more in Poland, Bulgaria etc.

Newsflash: the UK isn't actually a particularly pleasant country and its benefit system certainly does not make it attractive. The main reason why people move there rather than to, say, France or Germany is because its language is very widely taught, easy to pick up through pop culture and not all that complicated grammar-wise. You can thank your imperialist forebears for that.

I’m still angry as Brexiters took my right to FOM and relocate abroad as I was intending. I now would have to have a guaranteed 19k pa income for life to emigrate and that’s highly unlikely.

Everyone’s food bill globally has gone up duh, it’s something to do with the war - remember that one just a few thousand miles from here? A major food exporter and all that…

No one had any treatment for two years unless it was urgent, so that will be why the waiting time is so high.

And thanks to people like us we have thousands of lovely Ukrainians here now desperate to work and carve out a life. We couldn’t have been more supportive to a fellow European friend and nation!

Sometimes I wonder if remainers live in a tiny bubble of where they have been on holiday once or twice, and can not see the rest of this huge world. It’s so narrow minded and myopic. ‘Its the EU or nothing’ they stamp their feet like a petulant toddler and I refuse to look at anything else. It’s so short sighted as to be embarrassing to listen to. Do you actually speak like this in real
life?? People must think you are bonkers!
The die hardship are usually the very opposite of what they proclaim to be….open your mind just an inch. Please.

I would say mildly irritated rather than angry. I was particularly irritated by a colleague who voted Brexit, but has an Irish (as well as a UK passport). So she was voting for the rest of us to have fewer rights to settle in and travel freely to EU countries than her. Nice.

I am also irritated by the continued middle class handwringing and their castigation of the stupidity of - essentially - working class people. Successive governments have blamed their own inadequacies (e.g. over immigration policy and border security, failure to fund sufficient resources for the growing population, etc) on the EU for convenience rather than accuracy. Many of us knew that was a smokescreen, many did not. It is not surprising that people were ready to blame the dastardly EU and socked it to them once given the opportunity.

I am also irritated that the EU is being reimagined as some paragon of virtue by breathless Leavers post-Brexit. It isn't, it never was. I'd still prefer to be in it, but it has some fairly grotesque inadequacies.

Yes they contribute NOW and the studies reflect that - but are they the recipient of eternal youth? No of course not, they will grow old, need replacements and pensions and all the rest. And it won’t look so rosy then. Think more long term fgs

It's destroyed the Tory Party?🤷‍♀️

and now, trying to strip away European laws that protect our workers rights and human rights

This was the main reason I was - and am - so staunchly a remainer. It was always crystal clear this was going to happen and I believe it was the real motivation for many key brexit supporters in positions of power.

So few people realise how much the EU protected us from the corrupt.

Yes they contribute NOW and the studies reflect that - but are they the recipient of eternal youth? No of course not, they will grow old, need replacements and pensions and all the rest. And it won’t look so rosy then. Think more long term fgs

And they’ll have paid for those pensions over a working lifetime.

I think you will find European doctors and nurses do work here and will continue to do so.

Billy Bragg: another left wing 'know nothing' who thinks a slogan on a Tee-shirt is a manifesto.