to still be angry about Brexit?

[mrsmootoo]

I've mentioned this before and got shot down - 'move on', 'we won, you lost', 'red wall was justified', 'democracy' (although as Brexiter David Davis said, democracies can change their minds) etc etc. Anyway, if anything I am even more angry now than in 2016! Seeing queues at Dover/airports etc (I know not only down to Brexit, but it makes it worse) just reinforced it. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons here, but am just interested in whether other people are still as furious as I am. (And I do know it's not doing my stress levels any good!)

With the smoke cleared, my view is that Brexit was bought with a bad cheque.

That's it really. Not only does the result deserve no respect, but to respect it is condoning fraud.

I have still to find a workplace that ripped out all the mens toilets after discovering 52% of their workforce were women. Not one. Odd that.

I have never in my life just waved my passport at a border official in any eu country pre brexit

We got the other side of passport control once and discovered we had each other’s passports. That’s how closely they were examined.

No it's a genuine question. why is the EUR Vs USD down by a similar degree to the GBP Vs USD if the GBP Vs USD fall is caused by Brexit?

GBP has fallen against USD and the Euro. So it has performed worse than both of those currencies.

USD has strengthened largely because the Fed has been ahead in raising rates, and other reasons like the US being less reliant on fuel imports than Europe.

But surely it's obvious that if the UK and the EU are experiencing similar issues re. fuel supply risks (in fact that's worse in some parts of the EU) and global disruption to supply chains, but nonetheless GBP has still fallen very significantly against the Euro, then there are additional problems in the UK and the economic outlook in the EU is better. Because they haven't trashed their small businesses and massively increased costs by erecting trade barriers with their largest export market, increased their balance of payment deficit from 2% to 7-8%, etc.

Thanks for posting that chart, I was beginning to think my memory was going.

Having some sterling income (e.g. pensions) whilst living in euroland means the STG/EUR exchange rate has been close to our hearts for a long time and the sterling income has to be declared in euros in our euroland tax return every year...

Imagine our complete surprise when we read how well Sterling had been doing vs. the euro since 2016....I actually went and looked at some old paperwork over breakfast...and guess what?....The reality is of course reflected in that chart, but hey, who needs data when you can chuck in some fact free nonsense to muddy the debate....

Indeed. Fact-free nonsense as usual.

I am very sorry for your situation, and the many thousands like you who are suffering because of this.

The people complaining are mostly non-Brits (esp Irish) and Brits who live in the EU or who used to spend copious amounts of time living in the EU without the need to return to the UK.

Utter rubbish. A significant majority of the British public now realise Brexit was a stupid idea, per consistent polls for quite some time now.

Problems for sterling account holders in EU.

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/world-news/uk-banks-closing-expat-accounts-24642518

Wow those of you who are still angry, you need to let it go. Are you angry that the vote didn't go your way? Or are you angry that you thought there was a chance of things getting turned over due to the amount of remoaning that occurred at the time? At the end of the day you took part in the vote understanding the possible outcome, so why are you so amazed it didn't go your way?

@Janie92 read the thread, love

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Not a big shock that someone who hasn't bothered to read the thread also clearly didn't bother to research any actual evidence before casting their vote.

I'm still angry. I'm dreading going to Spain with my "Leave" voting dad soon.
If he complains about the queues I'm going to find it really hard to keep quiet.

I'm sure they have. Comprehension being a finely honed skill in the Brexiteer community.

@Janie92 of course we are angry Janie- we didn't ask for there to be a vote on it and lots of people have their jobs and businesses and family situations built around the UK being part of the EU.

If I was a large business with investments in manufacturing and supply chain here that came here post 1972 and were built up around being part of the EU that had been hugely impacted i would be very tempted to form a class action and sue - particularly those businesses with a lot of export that were enticed here due to being part of the EU. Because export isn't just affecting UK to EU exports , it's affecting exports where there were some informal arrangements in place via the EU for goods below certain levels - USA being one!

Brexiteers who are still going along with this seem to think those of us who are bloody angry still are just pissed off because it's a bit more inconvenient to go abroad or our kids can't do Erasamus or we can't easily retire to Spain full time etc-

I've seen posts saying its worth it just to piss the middle classes off- whilst they are fine with keeping the seriously rich able to pay sod all tax with off shoring etc!!

It's about so much more than this- if any of them had any idea of commerce and investment they would perhaps get that unless the gvt is propping up industry that exports (or even needs a lot of imports) that in a global economy we are stuffed. Why would you invest here- when on the doorstep you have 27 country's , many of a very good size with highly educated and trained workforce ,who can freely ship in and out to each other and have good arrangements already in place for non EU too. Lack of investment at a decent level has huge knock on effects in decent level skilled jobs that support families and impacts hugely on GDP and tax take

You have people like those in fishing who just took in all Farages bullshit about others accessing our waters- Yep- because a lot of the big players in that industry had sold off some of their rights for hard cash- instead they ended up now Brexit gas kicked in in full, with realising they were not going to be able to export easily due to already existing EU rules around food and their home market for many wasn't big enough to make it viable! You couldn't make it up- they were totally warned about this , but chose to call us all 'remoaners' - similar in some farming areas and no pun intended- it's coming home to roost. They can't export and can't get people to work in it , even for supplying a home market.

The EU isn't perfect but would be far better to have had a strong influential presence rather than appealing to the delusion that all Britains ills were down to the EU. They were in fact due to Tory policy, non needed austerity(clearly dogma only if £440 billion could be found for Brexit which is more than our contributions in 40 years) and a lack of long term planning in skills training, social housing, care of the elderly and progressive taxation including closing loopholes for the seriously rich , plus not implementing EU laws that were always there to manage the flow of freedom of movement with regard to working/benefits/healthcare etc. Britain simply couldn't be arsed to plan.

@Janie92 feel free to read my comments if it's too taxing to RTFT.

Genuine question - why are you happy about Brexit? What has improved in your life? If your wages have gone up, please tell us which sector you're in.

Yep, that's one of the latest latest example of Brexit related difficulties that many are still trying to mitigate....

It's not insurmountable but it's typical of the sort of time consuming PITA problems some wish they could inflict on those who voted to leave on the grounds it was the "easiest thing in the world"..............

Funny that we always suffered queues when entering Spain before Brexit. The last time we went, it was ridiculous - one guy in a passport checking kiosk for 2 or 3 UK flights which arrived together, whereas there were empty queues and passport staff looking bored in the "Shengen" arrivals area. To say that passports weren't checked or that there weren't queues for checking before Brexit is insane!

@Crikeyalmighty I could not agree more.

Funny that we always suffered queues when entering Spain before Brexit. The last time we went, it was ridiculous - one guy in a passport checking kiosk for 2 or 3 UK flights which arrived together, whereas there were empty queues and passport staff looking bored in the "Shengen" arrivals area. To say that passports weren't checked or that there weren't queues for checking before Brexit is insane!

For goodness sake. Obviously there have always been busier times at airports etc when queues form. The point is that they are objectively worse, longer and more frequent now, for obvious reasons: rather than just checking UK citizens have a valid EU passport, border staff have to ensure that all UK passports are stamped, have to make checks on the purpose of people's visits, how long they intend to stay, etc.

So ironic that Brexit supporters like Rees-Mogg in the Times again today continue to attempt to gaslight the EU blaming them for having sensible border procedures for third countries that existed long before Brexit, and that we knew would be applied to us as non-EU citizens as a matter of EU law, if we decided to leave the EU. And simultaneously, they bang on and on about how Britain needed "secure borders". Even though we had those already as we were using the same procedures that Brexiteers are now objecting to. 🤣 The cognitive dissonance is off the charts.

It is spectacularly passive-aggressive (or dim) to deliberately quote a misspelling. And Brexiteers wonder how I can spot them at 1,000 paces.

@TurquoisePterodactyl I could do a bloody masters in the subject these days!! And yes I am pissed off when people are so short sighted because now having lived in Denmark for 19 months (but now back) I can see why a different kind of system is much fairer for all (except the well off retired- they lose out) much higher minimum wage, much higher wages generally, quite a bit higher tax- no NI, no council tax- cheap childcare - tons of good quality social housing, good public transport etc- yes eating out and drinking out are more , quite a lot more- but let's face it-,they are a choice!!

I always had to hand over my passport at the ferry terminal pre brexit as well. I don't think it is new - the stamp maybe but not checking the passport. Plus they don't stamp it I don't think anyway. They didn't when we went to the EU recently

I travel regularly by ferry to France. You have always had to show your passport, although it was a quick looka at the first page and if queues were particularly long the frontier police had the discretion to wave cars through. Since January passports have needed stamping. You must get this done on entry and exit or of asked you won't be able to prove that you haven't outstayed the 90 day limit. I have travelled twice since then and it takes about twice as long as the officer has to turn pages of each passport to find the correct page then stamp each one.

As for benefits of Brexit, there are none for the general public. Brexit is an ideology - a feeling that the UK is better off in splendid isolation. There is nothing much tnangiv5to support it.

As for benefits of Brexit, there are none for the general public

However, for the Stanley and Boris' of this world, it does keep the riff raff out of their pied a terres

What happened to all of the claims that if we left France and Italy and Greece would follow and do the same? Nobody wants to. Support for the EU has massively increased. People everywhere see how absurd this decision was and the damage it has done and it's sad that people like you are incapable of the rational analysis of the data to reach the same conclusion.

What happened to their right to vote on whether or not they wanted to remain in the EU? At the time of the UK referendum, a number of EU countries requested a referendum. 71% percent of Greeks had expressed serious dissatisfaction with the EU, along with around 60% of French voters.

The introduction of the Euro has had a disastrous effect across Southern Europe as countries lost the ability to control their own currency. And look at the way that Greece was treated during its economic crisis.

The UK was fortunate in the sense that it was one of the few countries that was strong enough to leave. However, you can see the dissatisfaction across Europe. Extreme right wing parties are gaining momentum because people are have had enough of the status quo. The Torys are fluffy teddy bears compared to the likes of Le Pen.

Has it? That's strange because my parents worked abroad and travelled across the EU before we joined, and had no issues whatsoever. If the door has been shut in their face then it is down to the pettiness and spite of the EU who want to punish the UK for daring to leave.