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to still be angry about Brexit?

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mrsmootoo · 01/08/2022 13:35

I've mentioned this before and got shot down - 'move on', 'we won, you lost', 'red wall was justified', 'democracy' (although as Brexiter David Davis said, democracies can change their minds) etc etc. Anyway, if anything I am even more angry now than in 2016! Seeing queues at Dover/airports etc (I know not only down to Brexit, but it makes it worse) just reinforced it. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons here, but am just interested in whether other people are still as furious as I am. (And I do know it's not doing my stress levels any good!)

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Festoonlights · 01/08/2022 16:25

This argument has been done to
death for eight years Inc the year before the ref.
I genuinely feel sorry for those that live in anger.
I am going to enjoy the sunshine now, and I hope to do too.

Crikeyalmighty · 01/08/2022 16:26

@Festoonlights well it doesn't exactly help that we've now splashed £440 billion on Brexit - plus a signicantlyvreduced GDP. You may be interested to know Denmark had rules on this- even for people from the EU-registration after 6 months- you couldn't claim anything for a fair old period etc- evidence of working/student- these rules were always available, Britain couldn't be arsed to implement them. I didn't see much evidence of EU citizens over 45 rushing here- why would you- healthcare is often better in their own country and once you are beyond the house sharing stage the UK is not cheap apart from a few selective areas. Most were younger people coming to work for a few years

FourTeaFallOut · 01/08/2022 16:26

Anyway, how you decide to manage your anger is up to you. I'm not sure what you are achieving with it but it must have a pay off for all the energy and animosity it must take to sustain it. But it is not without risk as the long term health consequences of unresolved anger- high blood pressure, anxiety, depression - lay in wait if you intend to hump this resentment along through your whole life. That'll teach them.

Blossomtoes · 01/08/2022 16:26

Enjoy the sunlit uplands @Festoonlights.

Onlyhereforthebatshitneighbours · 01/08/2022 16:28

Shall also make these points:

Yes, the result was a democratic one...

But how democratic was it really when the Brexit campaign broke referendum rules and repeatedly lied and mislead the public? That undermined our democracy and raises legal questions over the validity of the result.

(This isn't scare mongering, it's been clearly acknowledged that this happened.)

Secondly, putting aside that question for a moment, the vote was so unbelievably close that while recognising the leave campaign one, half the country lost, which means half of us are against the policy. A true democracy would recognise and acknowledge that opposition wasn't going to melt away and a giid government would work to alleviate concerns becoming reality.

The vote didnt give an overwhelming mandate. The same point would stand if the Stay campaign had one by the same amount.

Thirdly, no I don't subscribe to the idea that leave voters were comprised of many stupid people. I do believe that the vote was swung by people who didn't take the Referendum seriously though. Large numbers of people spoke out in shock after the vote to say they voted leave as a joke or because they wanted to register the dissatisfaction they felt with the government of the time and they saw the Referendum as an opportunity to register a demand for change.

Finally, I believe the right wing press bears huge responsibility for the outcome of the vote after years of peddling lies and spin (also well documented) about the EU. Those currently in power have been governing by divide and rule and they're still doing it. While we fight amongst ourselves or get worked up by the latest hyped up distractions, our hard won rights and freedoms are being eroded with each year.

We haven't been less free than this in a century and like the boiled frog, most won't realise until its too late.

In the technological age, its going to be much harder to win those rights back.

Festoonlights · 01/08/2022 16:28

Mamamia7962 · 01/08/2022 16:23

If you want to talk about Brexit go on to the Brexit board, that's what it's there for.

This is the 2nd or 3rd post in a week about Brexit. Is there nobody on the Brexit board for you to argue with anymore? Are you just bored with each other over there?

Op has suspiciously disappeared… sowing discord - let’s think why some might prefer it if the U.K. remained divided…..

check out and have a good day

MarshaBradyo · 01/08/2022 16:28

FourTeaFallOut · 01/08/2022 16:26

Anyway, how you decide to manage your anger is up to you. I'm not sure what you are achieving with it but it must have a pay off for all the energy and animosity it must take to sustain it. But it is not without risk as the long term health consequences of unresolved anger- high blood pressure, anxiety, depression - lay in wait if you intend to hump this resentment along through your whole life. That'll teach them.

You have a point. What does it achieve?

Festoonlights · 01/08/2022 16:29

I will dearest blossom! 🌞🐠

Midnightblack · 01/08/2022 16:35

Let's just hope that those who've been asked to come up with some benefits and have been so reluctant to do so ask themselves why this might be such a challenge, even if they don't want to admit it on here.

Pyewhacket · 01/08/2022 16:37

No I’m not angry, quite the opposite. And I’d vote the same way again. In a heart beat.

Heatherjayne1972 · 01/08/2022 16:41

48% of us are annoyed
you’re not alone op

my parents are in their 70’s. They voted out because ‘in the 1970’s the government lied and it was our chance to put that right’ and ‘Ted Heath sold us out’ (No idea who that is. I’m too young )

plus the amount of people who have now admitted they voted out because ‘there are too many brown people and foreign voices)
has truly shocked me.

Midnightblack · 01/08/2022 16:42

I think it's probably higher than 48% now. People like the fishermen who finally realised they'd been conned are furious, and most of them voted Leave in the first place. Farmers are getting pretty livid as well.

User135644 · 01/08/2022 16:44

pd339 · 01/08/2022 13:41

The bit that really got me was in the weeks and months following the vote (when we had decided to leave but hadn't actually left) the brexiteers were saying that "all these predictions of doom and gloom haven't come true have they"? Morons.

I remember arguing with someone who was going on about project fear being proved to be wrong and how we're better off out the EU etc, this was just before the 2019 election. In the same conversation they said they were voting Boris 'to get Brexit Done'.

Crikeyalmighty · 01/08/2022 16:44

@Onlyhereforthebatshitneighbours exactly! I know only 5 people who voted leave. 2 were old relatives retired over20 years , who had no idea how integrated supply chain was into freedom of goods inward and outward, one would still vote it- the other definitely wouldn't and keeps apologising as he believed everything would stay much the same.

1 was a well off guy who saw advantages in a Norway type arrangement (not that this was ever on offer necessarily if you voted leave) he is now very quiet as I think he feels a bit of a tit and it has severely damaged his industry

1, couldn't stand the Tory's and thought it was a f off to Cameron

And finally one was a young person in their 20s who thought it would cause a house price crash and he might be able to buy-,that turned out well and he's still renting and the company he worked for moved their business to the Netherlands.

Pipsquiggle · 01/08/2022 16:45

Actually, I remember the fulcrum of my rage against Brexit (as some of you have already mentioned)

Brexit was NEVER a National issue. It was a TORY issue. Old, rich, white men on the back benches giving Cameron a bit of stick and he capitulated and gave in to this tiny section of people and gave them a referendum.

Our archaic voting system meaning people got a 'protest' vote for the first time in their lives and voted against the government.

God it's a shit show

User135644 · 01/08/2022 16:45

Butterlover1 · 01/08/2022 13:48

As the months go by I get more and more frustrated by it, there's lots of things coming out of the decision that were predicted by the remain camp and shouted down as "project fear"

-Northern Ireland
-Difficult border crossing
-Lack of labour to fill uk jobs
-Magical new trade deals not happening
-Where's our £350m a week?
-Prominent Brexiteers relocating their own financial and business interests overseas

However, I'm learning to come to terms with it because the only alternative is to be miserable about it. Can't see it changing any time soon, maybe not even in my lifetime.

The worst thing is if we ever go back in the EU it'll never be as good as the 'have our cake and eat it' deal that we had.

notimagain · 01/08/2022 16:46

@Crikeyalmighty

"You may be interested to know Denmark had rules on this- even for people from the EU-registration after 6 months- you couldn't claim anything for a fair old period etc- evidence of working/student- these rules were always available, Britain couldn't be arsed to implement them."

Yep, in quite a few EU countries you have a very minimal entitlement to benefits until you have a contribution history, and whilst you'll get basic healthcare you'd need either contribution history or independent means of funding before they'll launch into things like hip replacements.

There's a safety net of sorts where I am but it doesn't entitle those fresh off the boat/plane to much.

As you say the UK didn't want to contemplate any such concepts....

MidnightMeltdown · 01/08/2022 16:47

The UK has the highest post pandemic labour shortage of any G7 country

This is bad news for some people, but less so for others. Plenty of people were negatively affected when countries from Eastern Europe were allowed to join the EU and wages were undercut. Im sure that they were pretty pissed off that we weren't given any say in that.

My dad for example is an HGV driver and is now seeing bigger pay raises than he's seen in a long time.

Swings and roundabouts

Januarytoes · 01/08/2022 16:51

Yes still angry and dumbfounded as others have said. I do not believe it was democratic - I'm British and I was living in an EU country at the time, exercising my freedom to do so and most people like me were not allowed to vote in the referendum!

Hundreds of thousands like me were not allowed to vote and we were arguably the British citizens the most affected.

Since then, this category of people have quietly been allowed to register to vote in the UK after all and there has not been much talk about it.

The government continue to run the country like they are doing it for a dare, a lark and some giggles and they don't have enough understanding and compassion for ordinary working people.

Midnightblack · 01/08/2022 16:51

I know 1 who thought she was sending a 'Fuck off' to Cameron too and regretted it the minute the result came through.

1 voted Leave because she thought there were too many Muslims in Bradford [though she now denies she voted Leave, and it's not worth pointing out the truth as she's realised she got it wrong].

1 thought we should leave because of TTIP - but also would now vote Remain.

1 thought that there would be amazing global opportunities, but never wants to talk about Brexit now. I'd be surprised if she supported Remain though.

Barbadossunset · 01/08/2022 16:53

If you want to talk about Brexit go on to the Brexit board, that's what it's there for

Yes. It’s an excellent board with loads of different posters and a wide range of opinions.
Pro or anti Brexit - all views are welcome there.
Op - are you coming back?

SleeplessInEngland · 01/08/2022 16:53

Festoonlights · 01/08/2022 16:25

This argument has been done to
death for eight years Inc the year before the ref.
I genuinely feel sorry for those that live in anger.
I am going to enjoy the sunshine now, and I hope to do too.

Yes, if I’d so thoroughly failed to demonstrate any Brexit benefits I’d slink off too.

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/08/2022 16:58

Festoonlights · 01/08/2022 16:20

Net contributors are only net contributors if they are able to contribute! It’s not easy if you are 55 and here with sketchy English and non transferrable skills.

In your mind every European Is a hard working, well educated net contributor of at least four decades serving our trusty NHS and only brings their amazing skills and continental charm with them - it’s eye popping just how deeply inaccurate that is. Clearly you have never dealt with the Romanian and Bulgarian gangs !!!!

More people in the UK have "dealt" with Romanian and Bulgarian nurses, doctors, workers, customers and neighbours than gangs.

Is the Criminal Justice system been better at dealing with gangs since we voted for Brexit @Festoonlights?

DonnaHadDee · 01/08/2022 17:06

It's done, the vote is history, for me it's time to move on.

I say that a person who strongly did not want Brexit. At the time I was hugely annoyed because the of the older voters, and the clear regional bias/preferences.

My DH has lost a lot of his business as a result (it needs to be EU-based where most of his customers are). Luckily my kids have been able to get EU passports, so have that option if needed).

Pipsquiggle · 01/08/2022 17:07

Pyewhacket · 01/08/2022 16:37

No I’m not angry, quite the opposite. And I’d vote the same way again. In a heart beat.

@Pyewhacket genuine question - why are you happy with Brexit? What benefits has it brought to you?

I am not being facetious. All my friends voted to remain so I am in my own 'remain' bubble so would really like to know the benefits Brexit has given other people