Brexit mega thread part 8: platinum jubilee edition

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And this is why it's pointless trying to talk to hardcore Brexiters. They aren't motivated by pragmatism, compassion or common sense. They're the Brexit version of religious fundamentalists and they will continue to destroy life for others in the pursuit of their ideals

The trade deals that were so important and bountiful… turns out there aren’t really any to be had, and the ones that we have managed are actually really damaging, and will harm our industry.

Controlling our borders, yet they seem to be more porous than ever. Customs checks? Pah, wave it all through, we haven’t got the time or the staff to cope with any of that.

And taking back control from unelected bureaucrats (we did actually elect them) to…. A set of unelected advisers like DC, Carrie and Lord Frost.

The trashing of our international reputation.

The trashing of our institutions and now our rights, with the ECHR in the spotlight now. Who needs rights? Pah.

Nothing positive. Just a warm fuzzy glow that Brexit has been oven readied.

Sunny fucking uplands yay.

Meanwhile Ukraine moves a step closer to joining the EU

Now why should they want that? Don't they want to:
make their own laws
control their borders
have blue passports they already have these.
make the easiest deals in history.

Am I missing something?

@prettybird A bit late to the party but could I please have the recipe too?

And Moldova as well

The EU Commission has "recommended" granting Moldova and Ukraine candidate status

Am I missing something?

Powerful vacuum cleaners

which is all fine @pointythings but yet again you've cast your scenario as entirely virtuous and concluded that what I'd prefer is "destructive, impractical and dishonest" and that I personally am not motivated by "pragmatism, compassion and common sense", you're welcome to say that, I'm able to push back against such an accusation.

All this "I'm about making things work"...well yeah, so's everyone surely?! The difference is I want them to work for the country I live in because I can hold the government to account for doing that, or not doing it. As soon as you get beyond national boundaries there needs to be an overwhelming reason to cooperate to the extent of stripping voters of their voices IMO. Mutual defence, tackling climate change, adressing poverty worldwide, being good reasons for doing this among others. Creating an EU superstate doesn't qualify, not even close.

I'm going to contradict myself somewhat as I imagine that we view the world really rather differently and do want some different things as well as some of the same things.

This was interesting I thought. The Labour approach to the EU at the next election

labourlist.org/2022/06/the-conservatives-want-another-fight-with-the-eu-how-should-labour-respond/

news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-pulls-out-of-red-wall-summit-at-last-minute-12635601

@LouiseCollins28 your focus is exclusively on the 'EU superstate', as you call it. And to get away from that, the UK has thrown away all the things I mentioned in my post above.

So I would ask you whether or not you would be happy with a semi-rejoin, involving a Norway-type deal with trade barriers removed and free movement of labour restored. Because let's be brutally honest, in a world where nations operate in groups, it doesn't make sense to go it alone as a small country. The growth figures in terms of post COVID recovery are clear. The projections put the UK as on course for a recession. How would you tackle all this?

I would be happy to see a two-speed EU and right now, full rejoin isn't available for the UK. The EU wouldn't have us - we're not to be trusted.

To be fair on a day like today I would also like to hide in a fridge.

Johnson's made a "surprise " visit to Kyiv to distract from ethics gate and all the other crap.

OK, so he hid in an air conditioned jet. Close enough.

All this "I'm about making things work"...well yeah, so's everyone surely?! The difference is I want them to work for the country I live in because I can hold the government to account for doing that, or not doing it. As soon as you get beyond national boundaries there needs to be an overwhelming reason to cooperate to the extent of stripping voters of their voices IMO. Mutual defence, tackling climate change, adressing poverty worldwide, being good reasons for doing this among others. Creating an EU superstate doesn't qualify, not even close

I'm pro EU as you know but for the life of me i just do not see this EU super state, in fact just the opposite.... if you want to address the problems you mentioned you do need a pan European, in deed a global response.

To me, the EU is pretty much a trade organisation and now we are out of this, the impacts are very real, even on a personal level, retail trade has been curtailed and for what?

As for "Making things work" yes yes more meaningless slogans, how? this country is bereft of leadership, without it, the individual is totally powerless to do anything to Make it work.

the longer this continues the more i can see why Putin wanted Brexit and in BJ and Farage, had the means to achieve his aim.

You should really hang your head in shame.

@LouiseCollins28 Very sensible proposals in that Labourlist article you linked to, thankyou, would you you support them and if not why?

More sterling scholarship from the University of Brexshit Geography department;

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Deploy Rwandan flagged ships in the Channel to pick up illegal migrants. On board they would immediately be subject to Rwandan law
Take them straight to Rwanda.

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Hibib referring to the asylum seekers as "Cargo" lovely.

As for many of the other comments... as i said only the Stupid voted for Brexit.

I can hold the government to account for doing that, or not doing it

And how’s that going for you these days?

We used of course to be able to elect MEPs. We also had a Government who were part of the EU, who especially since Cameron's day could have made a much more positive contribution to the EU debates than they bothered to.

But do tell me when we last had a vote for the NATO representatives from the UK? This is an organisation which can and does get us involved in wars.

Does a landlocked country like Rwanda have an organisation to register shipping? It would be most surprising.

Now a lot of shipping is flagged to Liberia. Guess what? Liberia has a coastline so is likely to have at least a merchant navy.

But then, the Brexiters sense of geography was always pretty dismal.

When you have media portraying the EU for all of our time as members as something that we weren't part of, it's no surprise that shallow thinkers take the easy route and absorb the narrative. We were always at war with the EU. Nothing has changed.

Oh, this is just brilliant!

Daily Mail headline generator

Does a landlocked country like Rwanda have an organisation to register shipping?

According to Google, landlocked countries can indeed register ships. I checked because I thought I’d read it somewhere before to do with some scam or other.

When you have media portraying the EU for all of our time as members as something that we weren't part of, it's no surprise that shallow thinkers take the easy route and absorb the narrative. We were always at war with the EU. Nothing has changed.

Yet I worked as a poll clerk on the 1975 referendum, when people kept telling me that they had voted Yes, and which turned out to be the result. I assume then that the Mail was For because at the time I would have thought that the basic feeling was still one of 'Why do we need this Common Market', and there were still a couple of generations worth of people who knew the pre-War Empire when it still seemed powerful.

By 2016, despite what the Brexiters now tell us, the EU was just something which was there for all bar the ERG, and Farage and a few other fanatics.

So much for a UK alternative to USB-C charging

cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/23633293/Letter___E_Waste_and_Charging_Cords___6_16_22_1__2_.pdf

The UK gets what the EU wants, but I don't get what society wants I'm charging everywhere ...