Brexit mega thread part 6: Invasion and Evasion

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It now turns out that the Government did know the night before about the mass sackings due to take place. Yet another Johnson lie, when he said he didn't know.

We of course were distracted by Nazanin coming home.

"Have you ever been involved in a car crash that wasn't your fault?

Yes ..brexshit!"

They probably thought it would slip by under the radar. I'm glad to see they were wrong.

supreme court is the highest legal arbiter

It always was - in virtually all non-trade areas except of course wrt human rights - where it still bows to the ECHR.

You do realise that if the UK and EC disagree wrt the NIP then the ultimate arbiter if the joint body can't agree is still the ECJ

But the Tories want to opt out of the ECHR - it has the dreaded word European in it. This overlooks the fact that its origins were heavily influenced by British (or maybe just Scottish?) lawyers post WW2 for very obvious reasons. Having seen at first hand the horrors of the War, they knew there had to be more in life than making as much money as possible while doing others down.

But the Tories want to opt out of the ECHR - it has the dreaded word European in it

Same way Putin has pulled Russia from the Council of Europe.

Torisvich gonna Torisvich. What else could they do with a leader called "Boris". The phrase hiding in plain sight springs to mind ...

@Peregrina

It now turns out that the Government did know the night before about the mass sackings due to take place. Yet another Johnson lie, when he said he didn't know.

We of course were distracted by Nazanin coming home.

I bet not only did they know about it, but they were asked for their blessing too. All this talk now about legal action is moot.

And even if it were to succeed, we know we have a government prepared to retrospectively change the law to make whatever it was legal in the past.

JRM being his usual "man of the people" I see....

You have to question whether when Johnson was hob nobbing in Dubai whether he asked for oil in return for the UK workers being sacked?

@Peregrina

You have to question whether when Johnson was hob nobbing in Dubai whether he asked for oil in return for the UK workers being sacked?

I think it's clear that's exactly what happened

I see that David Cameron has popped up with selfies of him volunteering at a foodbank and driving donations to Ukraine

@DuncinToffee

I see that David Cameron has popped up with selfies of him volunteering at a foodbank and driving donations to Ukraine

Oooooo A return to front bench???

I see that David Cameron has popped up with selfies of him volunteering at a foodbank and driving donations to Ukraine

A few more courses on the parapets needed.

@Jason118

A demonstrable, concrete benefit of Brexit (Brexit Benefit Klaxon)

That the UK Supreme Court is now the sole arbiter on UK law is neither correct or a benefit. At best it is a 'feature' of Brexit that EU court of Justice has no say (except when it does). A benefit has to derive something positive. The UK Supreme Court as top dog is not a de facto benefit, just a feature. @LouiseCollins28 keep looking, I'm sure you'll find one somewhere

There is the proof then. I provide an absolutely surefire Brexit benefit (from my POV) and you folks instantly reject it. That just makes me sad really, it's a total circular argument "[pro leave poster] provide a benefit"....benefit provided mega thread poster's verdicts = "not a benefit". Absurd.

@FrankieStein403

>supreme court is the highest legal arbiter

It always was - in virtually all non-trade areas except of course wrt human rights - where it still bows to the ECHR.

You do realise that if the UK and EC disagree wrt the NIP then the ultimate arbiter if the joint body can't agree is still the ECJ

Sadly, yes I do realise that.

@HannibalHeyes

I'm tempted to ask how I might demonstrate none (sic) thickness in a way that would satisfy you?

I'm not sure you're capable, to be honest. I'm starting to think you'll be advocating for a 24 letter alphabet soon, without the letters "E" or "U".

But then, going by what we know of the leading Brexshitteers, I suspect the cyrillic alphabet is more what they're looking for...

Well that was a helpful contribution. Thanks a lot.

Alex Taylor
Words fail me that this loathsome man actually just compared the Ukrainian people's current quest for freedom to the UK voting for Brexit

Just when you thought he couldn't sink to new depths

twitter.com/alextaylornews/status/1505166049838260225?s=21

Well that's a stupid analogy , as Brexit has lost the people of the UK many of its freedoms and Ukraine want to join the EU in any case.

There is the proof then. I provide an absolutely surefire Brexit benefit (from my POV)
No you haven't @LouiseCollins28, a benefit to you would be if one of the EU laws we used to be beholden to was replaced by something that you/we directly benefit from. There hasn't been any such thing, and you and other Brexit worshiping people have failed to list one such occurrence. It's a feature that we are not under EU jurisdiction (except where we are), my point still stands. It maybe that it feelz like a benefit, but that's just feelz.

@Jason118

There is the proof then. I provide an absolutely surefire Brexit benefit (from my POV) No you haven't *@LouiseCollins28*, a benefit to you would be if one of the EU laws we used to be beholden to was replaced by something that you/we directly benefit from. There hasn't been any such thing, and you and other Brexit worshiping people have failed to list one such occurrence. It's a feature that we are not under EU jurisdiction (except where we are), my point still stands. It maybe that it feelz like a benefit, but that's just feelz.

That we are (mostly) not subject to the rulings of a foreign court is a benefit as far as I'm concerned. You can disagree if you wish but I'm sticking with my position. It makes the legal process simpler, shorter and cheaper, if you want to understand why it is a benefit quite apart from any sense of "feelz"

It makes the legal process simpler, shorter and cheaper

Hurrah, a benefit. (But it's probably not why you saw it as a benefit, feelz being your main point).

That we are (mostly) not subject to the rulings of a foreign court is a benefit as far as I'm concerned.

But of course, as members, it wasn't a foreign court. However, I think there are interesting parallels here with England vs the devolved administrations of Wales, Scotland and NI.

@Peregrina

That we are (mostly) not subject to the rulings of a foreign court is a benefit as far as I'm concerned.

But of course, as members, it wasn't a foreign court. However, I think there are interesting parallels here with England vs the devolved administrations of Wales, Scotland and NI.

those nations which notably have devolved admnistrations (good) where England essentially doesn't.

Well that was a helpful contribution. Thanks a lot.

Irony meter working overtime...

Johnson is I believe very keen to undermine the Devolved Governments, rather than set up devolved administration(s) for England.

I think though that a point was missed - as members we had plenty of clout - so it wasn't a Foreign Administration, even though the Brexiters were desperate to pretend that we had no say whatever. Very often the same ones who cosied up to the USA, where we really didn't have any say.

I see though that Johnson is getting criticism for comparing the battle for Brexit with the war in Ukraine. He's even angering some Tories.