To ask what has improved since leaving the EU?

[Butterflyfluff]

I’ve just had to pay customs charges on something I ordered from Germany - whilst we were in the EU there were no such charges.

Which got me thinking.

Leaving hasn’t been the disaster some predicted but, I can’t think of anything that affects me that’s actually improved since leaving.

What have other people’s upsides been? (And just being able to say we’re not in the EU anymore doesn’t count! 😂)

[quote TalkSomeSense20]@FatFredsFriedEgg 'As an alternative to paying a fair wage to carers?

Are you a complete cunt or are you just being paid to post shite on here by the party of complete cunts?'

Meaningful debate right there Gotta love MN's for its continued race to the bottom.[/quote]
You're obviously trying to make a point there but you've failed.

No reasonable person could think that it's 'meaningful debate' to suggest that older people should face the choice of killing themselves or dying untended in order to allow younger people to pay less tax.

I fail to see how a brexit benefit backed by facts will lead to abuse. It is a lazy excuse imo

Yes, I really genuinely want to hear positives. Even if they're only for a minority of people. It'd be nice know someone has benefited!

@Bornin1989

Could it be good for vets since we have to pay an extortionate amount to get a fit to travel certificate take our DDogs on holiday if we want to go into the EU?

Vet prices have gone up due to increased demand in service with lockdown dogs, decreased numbers of vets (due to Brexit) and increased costs of medicine. The costs have been spread across all vets services.

@Sarahcoggles

I think most people who can think of benefits of Brexit will not bother posting on here, because the vitriol rains down on them and all their points are ignored anyway. So OP, you won’t get an answer. Not that you wanted one anyway. I’ll ask if this thread can be moved to the Brexit forum.

Why would you

a) Argue that there are loads of benefits yet not mention any

Or

b) want this thread hidden?

Unless there aren’t actually any benefits you can share?

6 years...

6 years I've been waiting for ONE brexit benefit to be explained to me backed up either data and sources.

Come on....

I'm here. I'm listening

I think it's perhaps a little early to see any major positives or negatives - they will become apparent long term.

I guess no one can be bothered to click my link! So here are eighteen concrete benefits:

18. Cheaper fish: The House of Lords European Affairs Committee says a deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein signed in July, will mean cheaper fish in shops and supermarkets. Tariffs on the import into the UK of shrimps and prawns are removed, delivering savings of between £1m and £2.7m annually and Norway has agreed to cut certain tariffs for imports of UK fish feed from 10.5% to zero, thereby achieving annual savings of some £4.1m.

19. Pint glasses: Ministers are expected to announce plans to reintroduce the crown stamp on pint glasses in pubs in the coming weeks. New proposals will repeal “onerous” rules and allow hospitality venues to voluntarily place the crown on pint glasses, according to The Daily Express. Update: It appears however that the UK could have had crowns on pint glasses all along – see Benefits Myth No 11.

20. Animal Welfare: Live animal exports for slaughter are to be banned and journey times in England and Wales shortened with stricter rules on temperature and headroom in lorries, a joint statement from Defra and the Welsh government has confirmed. It follows a 12-week consultation, attracting more than 11,000 responses – of which over 7,400 came from the RSPCA

21. Wine: UK shoppers will save 20 pence per bottle on Australian wine under the terms of Britain’s new free trade deal with Canberra, according to the Government. The deal will see tariffs on Australian wine imports ‘slashed’ by up to 20p per bottle. It is hoped the move will see more varieties of wine imported, giving shoppers greater choice.

22. EU popular support: Polling shows that support for EU membership is above 80 percent in most member states following Brexit. The Kantar survey asked how people would vote in an in-out referendum and found that Luxembourg (94 percent), Portugal (92 percent), Ireland (91 percent), and the Netherlands (91 percent) had the highest support for EU membership out of the 27 countries in the bloc.

23. EU Recovery fund: The EU have agreed an €800bn recovery fund involving joint borrowing and shared debt, something many believe no British prime minister would have been able to agree without strong domestic political headwinds.

24. Ketchup: The US food giant Kraft Heinz is investing £140m in its Wigan plant to return production of tomato ketchup, salad cream and mayonnaise from its Dutch plant. Although Brexit was not cited as a reason for the move, Kraft called it a ‘strong vote of confidence’ in the UK.

25. Gibraltar: The rock can no longer be accused of being a tax haven, because of an agreement struck between Spain and the United Kingdom which came into force this week. The treaty aims to eliminate tax fraud and the detrimental effects of a tax system that allowed people to pay corporate tax only on the profits they made in Gibraltar.

26. Financial services: Almost 1,500 EU-based financial services firms applied for permission to operate in the UK, with around 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office, according to a Freedom of Information request by Bovill.

1. Bees: Some beekeepers argue that by banning the import of live bees, this will reduce the risk of bringing pests and diseases into the country by accident.

1. Fishing: The UK has decided to ban bottom trawling – a fishing technique where nets are dragged along the sea bottom – in the marine protected area of the Dogger Bank in the North Sea. DEFRA Secretary George Eustice said, “Now that we have left the [EU] Common Fisheries Policy, we are able to deliver on our commitment to achieve a healthy, thriving and sustainable marine environment”.

1. Air Traffic Control: Revised visibility & distance from cloud. As of 20 May 2021, the UK will revert to the rules on flight visibility and distance from cloud in class D airspace that existed up to 26 March 2020. This will be welcomed by many aviators.

1. Vehicle theft: Life will be harder for international bike thieves trying to move stolen machines through ports, according to leading vehicle crime expert, Dr Ken German. Gangs who had previously exploited the ease of access to mainland Europe through ports like Dover to move stolen machines quickly into new markets will now find it harder to do so post-Brexit.

1. Tax havens: Now the UK no longer has a veto, the European parliament is pushing for British overseas territories and crown dependencies, including the British Virgin Islands, Guernsey and Jersey, to be added to an EU tax havens blacklist after the conclusion of the Brexit deal.

1. Share trading: The UK will bring trading in Swiss shares back to London in the coming weeks, marking the first significant split from EU policy on financial services since the end of the Brexit transition period.

1. Advanced warning on goods: From July this year (2021), the UK will start receiving advance data on all goods coming from the EU into Great Britain, something which has not previously been possible under EU rules.

1. Fishing: Britain’s fishermen will increase their allowable catch from British waters over the next five years, although the precise amount is disputed and some in the industry claim the new trade deal represents a betrayal.

1. Gibraltar: To avoid a hard border, Gibraltar may join the EU’s Schengen zone and follow other EU rules, while remaining a British Overseas Territory. The agreement to look at this option was announced by Spanish Foreign Minister Arancha González Laya, just hours before the UK exited the EU.

yorkshirebylines.co.uk/regular-features/the-davis-downside-dossier-2/#DDDUpsides

There are alternatives such as assisted dying. I don't want to go into a care home and be looked after by carers but at the moment I don't have any choice. Hopefully when we have a real care crisis people will realise the assisted dying is very important.

@ILoveAllRainbowsx Are you seriously suggesting that 'assisted dying' legislation ought to be introduced for people who are elderly and in need of care? Not simply for people who are in such pain and suffering owing to health conditions? We're still along way from the latter legislation, by the way, because it's extremely difficult to ensure it won't be forced on elderly people who have just become "inconvenient".

Because if you are, that's a very worrying thing to suggest and support.

It is very disappointing that the Brexit supporters still think that anyone who would like to understand the benefits of this ‘is only after a bun fight’

As someone mentioned above, that’s just a lazy argument to avoid dealing with the actual question.

We’ve left, it’s happened - It would just be nice to see what anyone has gained from it as all I can see has been downsides.

@TheUsualShitshow

Literally just saw this on Twitter. I'm in the north of Scotland, so it's clearly a widespread issue.

To be absolutely fair, there were some significant distribution problems caused by the weather over the last few days.

Fair enough, it's more the certificate I'm annoyed about than the price (although we've now been priced out of foreign travel with our dogs). Maybe then the benefit is for the UK tourist industry since people like myself will have to stick to UK holidays.

17. Pint glasses: Ministers are expected to announce plans to reintroduce the crown stamp on pint glasses in pubs in the coming weeks. New proposals will repeal “onerous” rules and allow hospitality venues to voluntarily place the crown on pint glasses, according to The Daily Express. Update: It appears however that the UK could have had crowns on pint glasses all along – see Benefits Myth No 11.

Fuck me - my life is immeasurably improved by this 😂

Barrel, scraping, really 😂

@VickyEadieofThigh

There are alternatives such as assisted dying. I don't want to go into a care home and be looked after by carers but at the moment I don't have any choice. Hopefully when we have a real care crisis people will realise the assisted dying is very important.

@ILoveAllRainbowsx Are you seriously suggesting that 'assisted dying' legislation ought to be introduced for people who are elderly and in need of care? Not simply for people who are in such pain and suffering owing to health conditions? We're still along way from the latter legislation, by the way, because it's extremely difficult to ensure it won't be forced on elderly people who have just become "inconvenient".

Because if you are, that's a very worrying thing to suggest and support.

Tut. It was perfectly acceptable in Germany in the 1930s. Why is it not acceptable in the UK in the 21st century ?

@Butterflyfluff

17. Pint glasses: Ministers are expected to announce plans to reintroduce the crown stamp on pint glasses in pubs in the coming weeks. New proposals will repeal “onerous” rules and allow hospitality venues to voluntarily place the crown on pint glasses, according to The Daily Express. Update: It appears however that the UK could have had crowns on pint glasses all along – see Benefits Myth No 11.

Fuck me - my life is immeasurably improved by this 😂

Barrel, scraping, really 😂

But lots of people were asking for one benefit, "JUST ONE" (I quote). A few of those are suspect, many of them are solid though.

The film 'Soylent Green' was set in 2022...

That list of 18 things is actually hysterical!

I’d be embarrassed to post that as support for the benefits of Brexit!

Falls somewhat short of £350m a week to fund the NHS

@Butterflyfluff

That list of 18 things is actually hysterical!

I’d be embarrassed to post that as support for the benefits of Brexit!

Falls somewhat short of £350m a week to fund the NHS

You do seem to be shifting ground. You asked for upsides. There they are.

That list of 18 things is actually hysterical!

I’d be embarrassed to post that as support for the benefits of Brexit!

I was crying laughing at that 😂

So you did it to stem international bike thief. Good to know 😂

Personally, my life has improved significantly since Brexit. This is because I fucked off the UK and moved to Munich, where we have a better life in almost every aspect.

Well, this has been moved to the Brexit thread now.

Absolute proof that the Brexit supporters want this hidden from general discussion.

Everything thread on AIBU would fit into a sub-category.

Beer, bees and bikes.

Rule Britannia

You do seem to be shifting ground. You asked for upsides. There they are.

Apologies for hoping it would deliver a bit more than a crown stamp on a pint glass (when I don’t drink pints anyway and even if I did, I wouldn’t care what was printed on my glass)

Not seeing how that offsets my customs charges really.

Or delivers the millions of pounds of savings we were promised.

@Butterflyfluff

Well, this has been moved to the Brexit thread now.

Absolute proof that the Brexit supporters want this hidden from general discussion.

Everything thread on AIBU would fit into a sub-category.

Inexcusable

I’ve just discovered that the Gov have produced a document in this very issue so for anyone who wants reasoned debate (rather than just name calling either way) you can read it and then debate it…

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1054643/benefits-of-brexit.pdf

As I said upthread, I’m no fan of Brexit, didn’t vote for it, but see literally no point in continuing to argue over it. It’s done. Much better that we all work together to make the best of the situation.