Brexit mega thread part 4 : non goady thread : Christmas edition

[Opal8]

Hi,

Longtime lurker and poster (under various nn) on Westminstenders and these threads.

I'm afraid the other thread op pissed me off a lot so here's another option for those of us that want one.

Wishing you all a Happy Christmas and good luck for 2022.

@Peregrina

The Colston one is an interesting thread.

What gets me is that the current Tory Government is frothing and foaming at the mouth because the jury failed to return the verdict they wanted. This is the same Government which was happy to illegally prorogue Parliament, would break international law if they could be sure of getting away with it, and have been more than happy to flout covid laws and enrich their friends. Talk about hypocrisy.

Not so much hypocrisy as sheer brain deadedness.

Surely, if they are planning on pissing all over international law, it helps to have a rogue jury decision a few days behind in the rear-view mirror ?

Still, if they are so concerned that "the is upheld" we know they will honour the law they made without any hesitation.

I think this may be the point to open a book on when Brexit gets Broken by. Hard to see it lasting till 2024 at this rate.

As “Brexit" finally has been done, do you think now we might hear from some of our old Brexit Arm friends that Brexit is not the whole hearted success that they imagined? Even just to admit that this was not the Brexit that they voted for?

@DrBlackbird

As “Brexit" finally has been done, do you think now we might hear from some of our old Brexit Arm friends that Brexit is not the whole hearted success that they imagined? Even just to admit that this was not the Brexit that they voted for?

For some reason I keep picturing Clav and the scene from the Godfather where they are all worried what's happened to Luca Brasi.

What's the forum equivalent of a fish in a bulletproof jacket ?

@DrBlackbird

As “Brexit" finally has been done, do you think now we might hear from some of our old Brexit Arm friends that Brexit is not the whole hearted success that they imagined? Even just to admit that this was not the Brexit that they voted for?

Nah

As if.... a very vociferous Brexiteer near me is now sharing angry FB posts about the Aussie FTA and how it will wreck British farming, concerns over food miles and environmental concerns.

At the time Vote Leaves Minford said UK farming would go and he dismissed it as "project fear"
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Does he now think he was wrong? not a chance, despite having travelled and lived in Europe, he is more than happy for his children to be denied these opportunities but also believes they can move freely about europe in anycase... even now.

He isn't alone in this thinking.

Please don't wish the Arms crew back in here. I can't imagine a more futile operation.
The silence is telling enough - and less painful than a flood of c&p.

@AuldAlliance

Please don't wish the Arms crew back in here. I can't imagine a more futile operation. The silence is telling enough - and less painful than a flood of c&p.

Indeed.

And in case of some their mask has truly slipped....

What a godawful mess it all is.

@Alexandra2001

As if.... a very vociferous Brexiteer near me is now sharing angry FB posts about the Aussie FTA and how it will wreck British farming, concerns over food miles and environmental concerns.

At the time Vote Leaves Minford said UK farming would go and he dismissed it as "project fear"
.
Does he now think he was wrong? not a chance, despite having travelled and lived in Europe, he is more than happy for his children to be denied these opportunities but also believes they can move freely about europe in anycase... even now.

He isn't alone in this thinking.

I imagine - like lawson et al - he can buy citizenship somewhere?

No he can't just values leaving above the opportunities for his children.

& thinks the EU will give us FOM (one way) as they are suffering economically, might just take a few years.....

He is a nice enough chap but in all honesty, its like listening to a Trump supporter telling me Hillary Clinton murdered 29 people and heads up a child sex ring.

I think its easy, perhaps on both sides of any argument to be so entrenched, anything is better than changing ones mind.

@Alexandra2001

No he can't just values leaving above the opportunities for his children.

& thinks the EU will give us FOM (one way) as they are suffering economically, might just take a few years.....

He is a nice enough chap but in all honesty, its like listening to a Trump supporter telling me Hillary Clinton murdered 29 people and heads up a child sex ring.

I think its easy, perhaps on both sides of any argument to be so entrenched, anything is better than changing ones mind.

The evangelism of the fanatic

I think its easy, perhaps on both sides of any argument to be so entrenched, anything is better than changing ones mind.

Progress is so often dependant on old people dying.

It's all very well enjoying the peace and jaw-jaw of the past 77 years. But it's left us with a lot of entrenched views.

War. What is it good for ?

Progress is so often dependant on old people dying. It's all very well enjoying the peace and jaw-jaw of the past 77 years. But it's left us with a lot of entrenched views.

But don't forget that there are two generations present in the over 65s - those of 85 plus who are old enough to have either fought or at least remember something of the war years, and those born in 1946 onwards who can't. It's the first group which is dying in larger numbers and they are the ones who were more likely to have voted Remain, having a much better idea of the horrors of WW2.

But don't forget that there are two generations present in the over 65s - those of 85 plus who are old enough to have either fought or at least remember something of the war years, and those born in 1946 onwards who can't. It's the first group which is dying in larger numbers and they are the ones who were more likely to have voted Remain, having a much better idea of the horrors of WW2.

The youngest anyone could be who actually fought in WW2 would be now is ... aged 14 in 1945 - takes us to 89 years old now.

Anyone younger than that was - as Henning Wehn painfully but accurately noted - a drain on national resources.

Anyway, the point is without the thinning out of wars these past 77 years, we have ended up with a top heavy reactionary society that is distorting democracy in a bad way. This is how heads on spikes revolutions happen.

As older folk die, they are replaced by more older folk, from what i ve seen, they take on the views the previous generation had.

Yes apologies and I’m giving my head a shake now. As Chris Grey reminds us; no actual Brexit would have satisfied them

Brexiteers, perhaps, will only be happy if Britannia returned to its glorious state whilst the EU (esp France) ended up in economic ruins begging the UK for help. As that is unlikely to happen, we will all have to suffer.

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......yet

I see MPs are due to pocket a £2,000 pay rise at the exact same time the NI Rise comes in.

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/mps-in-line-for-a-potential-2000-pay-rise-307706

Just came across this in discussion elsewhere (I can take no credit) - arguably a contender for internet winner of the year 2022 ...

In engineering a Truss reinforces weak or potentially failing structures. In medicine, a Truss supports bollocks. In politics it does both.

@DrBlackbird

Yes apologies and I’m giving my head a shake now. As Chris Grey reminds us; no actual Brexit would have satisfied them

Brexiteers, perhaps, will only be happy if Britannia returned to its glorious state whilst the EU (esp France) ended up in economic ruins begging the UK for help. As that is unlikely to happen, we will all have to suffer.

I am beginning to think that Brexiteers would like the UK to be like Albania before 1989.

No 10 garden drinks again

twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1480596421766176769?t=Ss9G-wgzs6wqIlc7m6LMrw&s=19
EXCL: Email obtained by @itvnews proves over 100 staff were invited to drinks party in No 10 garden at height of lockdown to “make the most of the lovely weather”.

We’re told PM and his wife attended, with staff invited to “bring your own booze!”

R4 discovers the only way to get a Tory into lockdown

@DuncinToffee

No 10 garden drinks again

twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1480596421766176769?t=Ss9G-wgzs6wqIlc7m6LMrw&s=19
EXCL: Email obtained by @itvnews proves over 100 staff were invited to drinks party in No 10 garden at height of lockdown to “make the most of the lovely weather”.

We’re told PM and his wife attended, with staff invited to “bring your own booze!”

Ah, but Boris was doing his best...

Ah, but Boris was doing his best...

But Corbyn...

Just so we don't forget what the Irritable Duncan Syndrome is like...