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Brexit mega thread part 4 : non goady thread : Christmas edition

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Opal8 · 07/12/2021 18:29

Hi,

Longtime lurker and poster (under various nn) on Westminstenders and these threads.

I'm afraid the other thread op pissed me off a lot so here's another option for those of us that want one.

Wishing you all a Happy Christmas and good luck for 2022.

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DGRossetti · 09/01/2022 10:58

Not quite sure the rest of the world is convinced.

californianewstimes.com/regional-ports-fear-unfair-brexit-advantage-for-channel-rivals/643074/

The government plans to introduce Brexit post-EU customs inspections later this year, at risk of compromising the commercial “fair competition” of UK provincial ports.

Charles Hammond, chair of the UK Major Ports Group, which includes 40 large ports, said government funding for customs parks risks unfairly distorting the market in favor of ports in the English Channel that serve “short straits.”

The inland area will be used to carry out physical inspections of imports from the EU, scheduled to begin in July.

Hammond’s intervention was made because the government promised to announce a billing structure for inland border facilities, including the main site in Sevington, Kent. This sets a benchmark for charges imposed by other UK ports.

The government has promised £ 470 million in post-Brexit port infrastructure, of which £ 200 million will be distributed to 41 ports in the UK through the Port Infrastructure Fund to build border inspection facilities needed for new customs management.

However, the Dover Port and the Channel Tunnel site in Folkestone lacked physical space on the site, so there was no need to build border infrastructure.

Instead, trucks arriving at these “roll-on, roll-off” channel ports are sent inland for inspection at other UK government-operated sites such as Sevington and Dover White Cliffs. Hammond argued that this would provide a potentially unfair advantage over the ports that funded their own infrastructure.

“Government knows that operating costs need to be recovered, so we need to come up with a pricing model that creates a fair competition,” Hammond said. He insisted that he needed to find a way. ..

DGRossetti · 09/01/2022 14:37

I see YouGov have been asked to re-run a survey from before June 2016. I'd be curious to know who's paying.

FrankieStein403 · 09/01/2022 16:37

Drove up/down m1/M6 this week - signage northbound from Northampton southbound from Birmingham was 'EU different docs required'

No idea how long these signs have been up - presumably for traffic bound to rugby freight terminal or Hull - just sad.

Peregrina · 09/01/2022 17:35

They were up just after Christmas, but I don't know how long before then.

Lonelycrab · 09/01/2022 17:59

Yes they’ve been on the M3 for a good few weeks. In fact they’ve had various “get ready for Brexit” gantry signs last few years. Cue lots of extremely loud swearing from me if ds wasn’t in the car.

HannibalHeyes · 09/01/2022 18:16

I've been seeing those messages on the motorways for months now.

Chris Grey's latest blog is quite interesting.

HannibalHeyes · 09/01/2022 18:32

The view from Papua New Guinea...

Brexit mega thread part 4 : non goady thread : Christmas edition
mathanxiety · 09/01/2022 18:36

www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-59927034

Foreign Secretary Liz Truss says she will not accept a deal which means goods from Britain being checked as they enter Northern Ireland.

Ms Truss, now the UK's lead negotiator with the EU in post-Brexit talks, was writing in the Sunday Telegraph.

In 2019 the prime minister agreed a deal, known as the protocol, and for the last six months the UK has been attempting to renegotiate it.

The EU said it was "not too impressed" with the foreign secretary's threat.

Next week, Ms Truss is due to hold two days of talks with her European Union counterpart, Maroš Šefčovič.

"I will not sign up to anything which sees the people of Northern Ireland unable to benefit from the same decisions on taxation and spending as the rest of the UK, or which still sees goods moving within our own country being subject to checks," she said...

...João Vale de Almeida, the EU's ambassador to the UK, said it was not helpful to "keep agitating the issue" of triggering Article 16.

"We've heard this before from the government, so we're not surprised. We are not too impressed," he told Sky News.

Here we go again. To be fair, it's possible Ms Truss has not yet got up to speed on NI/Brexit and doesn't understand that the Protocol has already been signed.

Peregrina · 09/01/2022 18:47

Does Ms Truss know that the American President identifies as Irish?

mathanxiety · 09/01/2022 18:53

It seems like all Brexiteers she is unable to hold more then two (at a push) solid facts in her head to work with at any given time.

DGRossetti · 09/01/2022 19:16

"I will not sign up to anything which sees the people of Northern Ireland unable to benefit from the same decisions on taxation and spending as the rest of the UK, or which still sees goods moving within our own country being subject to checks," she said...

She doesn't need to. Boris did it for her.

mathanxiety · 09/01/2022 19:20

Someone should tell her.

Also, the people of NI are apparently doing very nicely thank you.

DGRossetti · 09/01/2022 19:20

@Peregrina

Does Ms Truss know that the American President identifies as Irish?
Doesn't he know who we are ?
Peregrina · 09/01/2022 19:24

Nothing to do with Brexit but the Secret Barristers opinion on the Colston 4 acquittal

It's pertinent to Brexit because Johnson's Cabinet seems to think that the law is what they agree with, not what the law actually says. Relevant to Truss because as DGR has already pointed out, the law in question has already been signed as an international agreement, although she seems to have trouble understanding this.

DuncinToffee · 09/01/2022 19:49

Truss is just positioning herself for Tory leaderdhip

I read the Secret Barristers opinion from the thread about the Colston 4 on MN

Peregrina · 09/01/2022 20:11

Sorry I didn't realise there was a Colston4 thread elsewhere. It hightlights though how they think that they are above the Law.

Lonelycrab · 09/01/2022 20:14

Truss is just positioning herself for Tory leaderdhip

Pound shop Thatcher follows a pound shop Churchill. What a time to be alive😐

Peregrina · 09/01/2022 20:20

Just found the Colston thread. I haven't read it all, but just seen a post where someone refers to E Europe and the statues of Lenin being toppled.

I don't recall any Tories speaking out about this at the time. It was surely as wrong then as it supposedly is now.

DuncinToffee · 09/01/2022 20:29

Sorry Peregrina, I clicked your link and realised I had read it only minutes earlierSmile

Peregrina · 09/01/2022 21:50

The Colston one is an interesting thread.

What gets me is that the current Tory Government is frothing and foaming at the mouth because the jury failed to return the verdict they wanted. This is the same Government which was happy to illegally prorogue Parliament, would break international law if they could be sure of getting away with it, and have been more than happy to flout covid laws and enrich their friends. Talk about hypocrisy.

HannibalHeyes · 09/01/2022 23:49

Looks like the Daily Heil has decided who it want to take over from de Spaffle...

Brexit mega thread part 4 : non goady thread : Christmas edition
HannibalHeyes · 09/01/2022 23:55

I've never been a fan of Andy Murray, but I think I may just have change my view!

mathanxiety · 10/01/2022 02:42

Now that the Heil has spoken, the end can't be long...

DuncinToffee · 10/01/2022 08:27

I saw that tweet but hadn't clocked it was from Andy Murray Grin

DuncinToffee · 10/01/2022 08:31

Sam Coates from Sky on that poll

EXC

New @skynews YouGov poll of Tory membership

  • 34% of members say Boris Johnson should stand down, compared to 9% in July 2020

  • 46% of members think Rishi Sunak would make a better leader, 39% think Liz Truss

  • 39% don’t trust him with truth