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Brexit mega thread part 4 : non goady thread : Christmas edition

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Opal8 · 07/12/2021 18:29

Hi,

Longtime lurker and poster (under various nn) on Westminstenders and these threads.

I'm afraid the other thread op pissed me off a lot so here's another option for those of us that want one.

Wishing you all a Happy Christmas and good luck for 2022.

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jgw1 · 07/12/2021 23:11

@jgw1 - you probably come the closest with your piss taking satirical posts confused

Thank you, very kind of you to say so.
I think if I had the inclination it would take a couple of days to put a coherent pro-Brexit argument together that didn't involve dog whistles and racism.

I don't know why it hasn't been done.

Obsidiansphere · 07/12/2021 23:20

PMK (is that still a thing?)

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 07/12/2021 23:37

Thank you for the new thread.

DrBlackbird · 08/12/2021 00:02

Just as I have formally become a British citizen and after 25 years of living here, I’m finally contemplating leaving to head home because I am so scared of the health care crisis that has been created by Brexit, austerity and cut backs, Covid, and the utter utter mismanagement of this country on an epic scale. A sad PMK… Sad

Opal8 · 08/12/2021 00:06

@DrBlackbird

Just as I have formally become a British citizen and after 25 years of living here, I’m finally contemplating leaving to head home because I am so scared of the health care crisis that has been created by Brexit, austerity and cut backs, Covid, and the utter utter mismanagement of this country on an epic scale. A sad PMK… Sad
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Storminamu · 08/12/2021 00:11

People who are British citizens but were not born British can now be made stateless and not even told about it, apparently, and past illegal behaviour by the government in this context will be deemed legal. I hate to think what they plan to do with these powers:
www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/priti-patel-s-new-powers-to-remove-citizenship-would-turn-ethnic-minority-brits-into-second-class-citizens/ar-AARzfWb?ocid=msedgntp

prettybird · 08/12/2021 00:32

Yes @Obsidiansphere - PMK is still a thing  Grin Although pictures of cats and flowers will also do Wink

@DrBlackbird My dad has just had an excellent experience of the NHS (in Glasgow Wink). After his pacemaker was fitted the same day that he saw the cardiologist, a rapid appointment after noticing his inaccurate Apple Watch ECG was irregular (cue dh and me performing car Tetris at the hospital as dad had driven himself there not expecting to be told he'd be admitted) a couple of months ago, he's now been seen again quickly as he noticed one hand was a different colour to the other. An ultrasound within 10 days didn't reveal anything and a CT scan the following day. Ok, they did the wrong scan Confused, so he has to go back the next day (today) to get the right one, so they can establish if it's a clot (to be treated with blood thinners) or a narrowing vein. He's not concerned though so I take my lead from him Smile

Another friend went to a GP after watching a bowel cancer public health ad (and having ignited the bowel screening tests he'd been sent every 3 years since he'd turned 50 ie 3 times and within a month had been tested, seen by a consultant, had radiotherapy the following week and is about to start chemotherapy.

All very fast and efficient.

And Aberdeen seems to do a good job with emergency appendectomies: ds last year and a friend's ds this year - who a few weeks later needed a further five hours surgery after a stupid student accident but unexpectedly should make a full recovery Shock

We hear the horror stories about the NHS (and the WM Government encourages them to help soften up the public for further privatisation Angry) but we don't always see how much it still achieves.

That's not to say there aren't problems: some areas (especially in England) still seem to have a problem with F2F GP appointments (our experience of telephone triage has been good) and Covid is still putting a massive strain on resources Sad

Opal8 · 08/12/2021 00:43

It's dreadful here. Awful.
My mum was having a suspected heart attack and it took 1.5 hours for the ambulance to arrive then a further hours wait in the ambulance bay
It was 4.5 hours when she developed sepsis
Our Dr's surgery (the only one local residents can register with..) is dire. The e-consult system is only used 2/3 days out of 5 because they don't have the staff to triage it.
The phone system isn't fit for purpose to deal with the increased traffic but you can no longer make an appointment at the desk
I actually saw one woman ask for an appointment at the desk. They refused. She got her mobile phone out and phoned them and then they made the appointment over the phone
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She was 2 metres from the desk!
So many unsafe discharges that I've heard of. It's a disaster waiting to happen.

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prettybird · 08/12/2021 00:59

That's awful Sad

Our practice was already used to using telephone triage, which was a good foundation for Covid but you can still get an appointment quickly (longer - up to a couple of weeks - if you want a specific named doctor) - initially (at the moment) by phone but they'll see you in person if necessary. And we don't seem to have the problems getting through that I've read about on here.

My dad's surgery in the other side of the city is similar.

I'll count our blessings.

Obsidiansphere · 08/12/2021 03:12

Mr Business

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countrygirl99 · 08/12/2021 04:55

My 94yo dad had really poor experiences. Last year the GP was refusing to see him for severe joint pain assuming it was his osteoarthritis. It wasn't, it was an infection and he had 2 avoidable weeks in hospital. This year he was stuck in hospital waiting for a care package after another avoidable hospital stay. When the GP finally saw him she told my brother she was shocked how much he had deteriorated!
MIL had a long wait for an ambulance and 2 hour queue outside the hospital recently with cardiac symptoms.

mathanxiety · 08/12/2021 06:05

I'm on another thread where a woman who suspects she has stage 3 or 4 breast cancer is being made to run all over the place ferrying her own three year old CT scan for comparison with another she is to have between old hospital, GP (who dismissed her health worries a few months ago) and new hospital.

All of this would have been handled on the internet in the US (and in France, the woman remarked).

mathanxiety · 08/12/2021 06:07

Also on a thread where a large antivax contingent has shown up to complain about Bill deBlasio's NYC vaccination mandate.

The stupidity levels are astronomical.

borntobequiet · 08/12/2021 07:21

Thank you Opal, and everyone who contributes.

Opal8 · 08/12/2021 07:26

@borntobequiet

Thank you Opal, and everyone who contributes.
You're welcome 🎄
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DGRossetti · 08/12/2021 07:49

This party story has really gripped the press ... I wonder what it's burying ?

FatCatThinCat · 08/12/2021 07:58

Place marking with my stupid cat trying to get himself posted to Australia.

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Opal8 · 08/12/2021 08:00

@DGRossetti

This party story has really gripped the press ... I wonder what it's burying ?
The grenfell disaster and the fact the govt knew about the issue with the cladding..?
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Opal8 · 08/12/2021 08:13

Re: de pfeffles disastrous performance at the CBI..
Did any of you think that maybe him getting covid in the first wave (due to his own hubris) caused a lack of oxygen to the brain?
I wonder of he's experiencing cognitive difficulties?
His performance at PMQs lately has seemed "off" too?

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Opal8 · 08/12/2021 08:20

Sky are reporting that Javid and Throup hsve pulled out of planned national TV interviews this morning...

Hmmm

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TheElementsSong · 08/12/2021 08:21

PMK! Thanks for the non-goady, slipped-mask, thread.

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DrBlackbird · 08/12/2021 08:31

Prettybird that’s fantastic health care. Possibly it’s the health care lottery in action. Around here, it’s gone very scary. Experience with my FiL mirrors those saying it’s dire. It’s my firm belief/conspiracy theory that the NHS has been and is being run into the ground on purpose. So people finally accept privatisation.

US health care companies operate on 30% profit margins. Whilst most firms run on 5%… Health care CEOs have the highest salaries globally. For a country with a dire economy isn’t that route to making money so appealing? You can always count on people to get ill and spend all their savings to regain health even if the rest of the economy is going down the pan.

My very Tory BiL calmly insisted to me that free at point of need was a broken system and ‘too expensive’. He refused to accept that the US insurance system was much more expensive. This will be the party narrative percolating through the ranks getting them ready to agree.

So my vote is that the Christmas party story is hiding proper scrutiny and media notice of the health and care bill. Maybe just scrutiny of what this cabinet is pushing through full stop?

This far right excuse of a Tory cabinet is shocking and Johnson will remain as it’s inept and hopeless leader precisely because he has the conviction and decision making powers of a jelly fish. Plus his pseudo bonhomie is a useful cover for and distraction from the ongoing ruthless dismantling of rights and protections.

DuncinToffee · 08/12/2021 08:41

@DGRossetti

This party story has really gripped the press ... I wonder what it's burying ?
Afghanistan?
redavocado · 08/12/2021 08:41

@DGRossetti

This party story has really gripped the press ... I wonder what it's burying ?
Grenfell as Opal said and also the third reading of the police and crime bill in the HoL today.
Opal8 · 08/12/2021 08:43

@TheElementsSong

PMK! Thanks for the non-goady, slipped-mask, thread.
😊🎄
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