Brexit mega thread part 4 : non goady thread : Christmas edition

[Opal8]

Hi,

Longtime lurker and poster (under various nn) on Westminstenders and these threads.

I'm afraid the other thread op pissed me off a lot so here's another option for those of us that want one.

Wishing you all a Happy Christmas and good luck for 2022.

Welcome back Sostenueto and for getting through such a scary time.

What wouldn't we do to get some decent political leadership that would properly support the NHS?!

Which is definitely not Frost the 🐀 Only his fault if he doesn’t like NIP etc etc…

So clearly Frostie wants to see the UK lurch even further to the right. He’s got that look though, doesn’t he. Slightly running to too much food and drink self satisfied I don’t want to pay taxes that go to the lazy unemployed look of a Tory Brexiteer politician.

Frost also expressed his wish that the UK would become a “lightly regulated, low-tax” country

But this BTL comment on a SCD thread made me smile…

Rumour has it, in his resignation interview, "Lord" Frost has let it be known that he is keen to take part in next year's Strictly Come Dancing. Although, he was less keen when he was told that you actually have to put yourself forward to a public vote to advance in the competition, claiming that he didn't free the British people from the malign influence of unelected bureaucrats just so they can actually have any kind of say on HIS career …

An extract from his recent speech in the Spectator
www.spectator.co.uk/article/lord-frost-my-britain-is-country-with-no-mask-rules---and-no-vaccine-passports

@Brindle88

Can’t believe the number of protesters in London.

Does anyone else think a lot of them are former Brexit fans? I’ve been looking at the footage on Twitter and there seems to be loads of gammons there.

Did you know something when you asked this question

Welcome back @Sostenueto best wishes for you and your family!

Welcome back, @Sostenueto. Sorry to hear of your trials, glad you are recovering now. And lovely to hear of the university successes.

Has anyone seen this tweet by Sam Coates?
twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1472331053775958016?s=20

To my mind this all really kicked off with the Paterson affair - then we had the exposure of others doing second jobs, where they were earning considerably more than the supposed first job, then the parties, then the vaccine passport rebellion, the North Shropshire loss and now Frostie jumping or being given the push.

I bet some of them are ruing the day they tried to get Paterson off the hook. Not Johnson, it's never his fault.

Twwet from Adam Parsons
Reaction from a (senior) EU diplomat: “Until now, every British Brexit negotiator has resigned or was sacked. Is it because Brexit is bad for Britain and leaves UK negotiators with the impossible task of squaring the circle?”
Ouch.

Frost hiding behind covid

Alex Taylor @AlexTaylorNews
Just in case you missed @BBCFarmingToday at 645 😀 remember those 800 temp butcher visas ?
50 turned up (not even 2/EU country)
So 30 000 pigs culled - and burnt, while UK imports pork from EU
Got a bit lost in the news, but Brexit means better treatment of animals, eh ?

So that’s another unexpected upset with Frosty going. The wheels are well and truly falling off this bus now. Who’ll be the replacement? Someone on another forum saying IDS... I guess that’s swapping like for like if nothing else.

Let's see how many of the ardent Brexiters who jumped on the Johnson bandwagon, and only hold their Government positions because of it, will now be desperately looking for a way to jump off. This should be fun to watch.

@codexa

DG Rosetti,

Frostie the Snowman might indeed renounce his title, but only if he is guaranteed a safe seat, and take it from there. A week is a long time in politics!

He can have North Shropshire. One of the safest seats in the country.

I hope Theresa May likes her food cold ....

[quote ICouldHaveCheckedFirst]@Sostenueto what an indescribably frightening experience that must have been. Glad you are on the mend. Best wishes for a full recovery. [/quote]
Sending lots of love & hoping you are recovering well Sostenueto x

[quote DuncinToffee]An extract from his recent speech in the Spectator
www.spectator.co.uk/article/lord-frost-my-britain-is-country-with-no-mask-rules---and-no-vaccine-passports[/quote]
Covid is really throwing into sharp relief the demented and uniquely specific thought processes of our libertarian minded politicians.

They remind me of Robert Nozick poster boy of American anti-government taxes-are-a-form-of-robbery libertarians. Nozick provided the philosophical underpinnings against government regulations such as rent control until he needed to invoke the very regulation he earlier railed against to claim thousands back from his landlord.

It’s a depressing lack of imagination and complete absence of empathy until and unless they find themselves in a similar position. Maybe Frost would find a similar Damascene conversion should he be hospitalised with Covid?

Any way you look at, my money is on him being the next front runner for party leadership aiming to be PM. The Brexitsh*tters would love him. God help the rest of us.

They remind me of Robert Nozick poster boy of American anti-government taxes-are-a-form-of-robbery libertarians. Nozick provided the philosophical underpinnings against government regulations such as rent control until he needed to invoke the very regulation he earlier railed against to claim thousands back from his landlord.

In the still-can't-recommend-hghly-enough-after-30-years Parliament of Whores P.J. O'Rourke notes that taxes are effectively being robbed by a cartel with the threat of granny going to prison.

Now it does sound OTT, until he breaks it down. And he's right. Fuck "democracy". Your taxes are extorted under threat of violence.

When you realise that, you suddenly get a damn sight more fussy over what they are spent on.

It would be a pleasing irony if Brexit (or in its early incarnation hatred of the EU) brought down Johnson as well as Major, Cameron & May.

Some would add Thatcher to that tally, but I think myself that it was primarily the Poll Tax which did for her.

Any way you look at, my money is on him being the next front runner for party leadership aiming to be PM. The Brexitsh*tters would love him. God help the rest of us.

I think we are slowly seeing the "Brexit" dimension to Tory infighting becoming slightly passe - and in a good way. And (as usual) they only have themselves to blame. After all, they can't try and tell us Brexit still needs doing - that was a one-shot wonder that gave them Boris. So they need to try and fool us all that Brexit is done, and not only was it marvellous, but that it is still marvellous. At which point they need to have some goal (like the Australia carpet deal) to persuade us needs achieving.

Then one after that.

Then one after that.

Which isn't really reflected when you have to fly to the US, and call them morons for not realising how fantastic Brexit is for the US to tumbleweed. But that, indeed, is what the UK has sunk too.

Some would add Thatcher to that tally, but I think myself that it was primarily the Poll Tax which did for her.

I think her cards were marked before that (but ironically over her Euro scepticism). It was merely a handy cul-de-sac she steered herself into after ignoring every sensible minister she had.

What was it someone said about history rhyming ?

Covid is an interesting situation, since it's intimately entwined with the rest of the world ... if the Brexivaxxers had their way, and England does fuck all to contain the virus, we'll simply find a growing list of countries that won't allow UK citizens in. Showing that wherever you look in modern life "sovereignty" is nuanced and complex. Not really something within the intellectual capabilities of people who struggle with shoelaces.

The thing is, BJ did have him tawdry charisma, and even people who disapproved strongly of him found themselves rather liking him, apparently.
Frost has none, indeed appears to be anticharismatic. The person on the Clapham omnibus will see him as what he is, a gammony bag of hot air. (I rarely use the expression gammon, it’s trite and unpleasant, but it fits him to a T).

Oh sorry. Meant to say so nice to hear from you @Sostenueto and Inhope things continue to improve for you

I find the mask slippage from the more gammonesque tories fascinating in a horrified sort of way...

As I asked ds1 last night...."who's next?"

I rather suspect Gove is regretting his decision to end his marriage and be his true self...?

A few short months ago De Pfeffle seemed untoppleable...now?

Gove and his new nightclubing with young men lifestyle won't win him many votes in a leadership bid!

(breaking humbug mode)

since it's less than a week, a very Merry - and above all safe - Christmas and New Year (or whatever you feel appropriate to celebrate when seasons, solstice and secularity all align to mark the transition to a new iteration of our celestial journey) to one and all here and beyond.

(reverts to humbug mode and contemplating the reduction in surplus population)

If anyone can stomach it, the letters from both Frost and Johnson

twitter.com/andrewprlevi/status/1472345284042706946?s=21

There are actually some gems in Frostie's letter:
implementing the referendum result, stunning electoral win, exit from the EU, Brexit is now secure.

But the next time a Brexiter comes on here to tell us it was our fault that Brexit wasn't implemented, we have it from the horse's mouth, that it was.

We will gloss over the end of political turbulence....

Ages ago someone said that it would take us five years to leave and then we would spend the next five years trying to get back. The first part happened, the second - well maybe the tide is turning. People in N Shropshire didn't share Frostie's vision - they seemed to want dull things like ambulances, and reliable bus services.