Brexit mega thread part 4 : non goady thread : Christmas edition

[Opal8]

Hi,

Longtime lurker and poster (under various nn) on Westminstenders and these threads.

I'm afraid the other thread op pissed me off a lot so here's another option for those of us that want one.

Wishing you all a Happy Christmas and good luck for 2022.

terrible defear

defeat
Good grief...
It's too early 😴 🌲

Brilliant result in a by election that didn't need to happen

34% swing

This was a very nice bit of news to wake up to, made my day.

I thought the Tories would scrape in too. Probably by about 1,000 - 3,000 votes.

I don't really think that people were voting for the LDs, more anti -Tory.The fact that the new LD MP is a local woman must have been a big help in a seat like that; whereas the Tories put up a foreigner from Birmingham - mistake no. 1 for a starter.

I suspect also if it's a seat with a higher proportion of older voters that there will be an awful lot of people who weren't able to be with sick or dying relatives over the last year, and it will really stick in their throats that Johnson and chums were happily partying away, and don't appear to see anything wrong with that.

@Peregrina

I thought the Tories would scrape in too. Probably by about 1,000 - 3,000 votes.

I don't really think that people were voting for the LDs, more anti -Tory.The fact that the new LD MP is a local woman must have been a big help in a seat like that; whereas the Tories put up a foreigner from Birmingham - mistake no. 1 for a starter.

I suspect also if it's a seat with a higher proportion of older voters that there will be an awful lot of people who weren't able to be with sick or dying relatives over the last year, and it will really stick in their throats that Johnson and chums were happily partying away, and don't appear to see anything wrong with that.

Tories don't care about UC, the uplift, the poor, the young, the sick....

But covid is the great leveller

I suspect also if it's a seat with a higher proportion of older voters that there will be an awful lot of people who weren't able to be with sick or dying relatives over the last year, and it will really stick in their throats that Johnson and chums were happily partying away, and don't appear to see anything wrong with that.

Not just older voters. I picked up a fascinating comment from a colleague (like myself) of foreign extraction along the lines of they weren't happy seeing the UK turn into their shithole home country openly rife with corruption ....

@pointythings

This was a very nice bit of news to wake up to, made my day.

Yy really thought they would scrape in, I saw a clip last week on the news of a woman who said she wasn’t giving the conservatives any more money after party gate but still going to vote for them, was a bit wtf at the logic by still endorsing them with her vote.

I think a lot of Labour voters voted tactically. And good for them.

This was a very nice bit of news to wake up to, made my day

Yup me too. Tbh I wasn’t expecting it but good to see all the same.

The Australia free trade deal has been signed
"The UK has given Australia pretty much everything it wanted in terms of access to the UK agricultural market. Other larger economies will take note of that and want similar access in the future."

I had also noted the Australia free trade deal. The Tories have just lost a once rock solid agricultural seat - is it just a co-incidence?

Lord Frost continues to whine
www.gov.uk/government/news/lord-frost-statement-on-the-protocol-on-irelandnorthern-ireland-17-december-2021--2?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications&utm_source=2d5842fd-e92e-421a-b91e-b2582d83324a&utm_content=immediately

I want De Spaffle gone. Preferably to somewhere behind bars for a very long time. But, I'm extremely worried about all the ghouls lurking in the wings waiting to take centre stage. I know it's hard to imagine anything worse than what we have now, but it will be worse unless De Spaffle takes them all down with him.

The Australia free trade deal has been signed

Woohoo. Less than a tenth of one percent gdp boost and we’ve got to wait 15 years for that to materialise.

Whatever happened to no deal is better than a bad deal

And we hold all the cards

Roger Gale has confirmed he has sent a letter of no confidence in Johnson

If Johnson has to go, then it has to be quick. The last thing the Tories want, need, or will up with is a long drawn out process that sees the big beasts angling for leader rather than tackling the pandemic,

Which always throws up surprises (bearing in mind how the era of Major has been remembered today ...)

I'd love to think this is like 1993/4 and the long slow decline of Majors government...

But...

No opposition (unlike new Labour)
12,000 still voted blue even with EVERYTHING
The right are not held to the same standards as the left.
And as bad as Majors government was, this is the worst government ever to disgrace the HofC

No opposition (unlike new Labour)

But New Labour didn't come straight away. First we had John Smith, who looked a potential PM, but I think that might just be said of Starmer. Then when Smith sadly died prematurely Blair came from nowhere, it seemed. I recall at the time there was Brian Gould also standing - now long forgotten.

Ah, yes. John Smith. A good man.

Quelle surprise, Johnson has started to blame the media for the defeat

When was it ever Johnson's fault?

This is the most spectacular own goal ever. If they hadn't tried to get Paterson off the hook for corruption, he would have served his suspension by now, and precious few people, including a majority of his constituents, wouldn't have had a clue who he was.

@Peregrina

I thought the Tories would scrape in too. Probably by about 1,000 - 3,000 votes.

I don't really think that people were voting for the LDs, more anti -Tory.The fact that the new LD MP is a local woman must have been a big help in a seat like that; whereas the Tories put up a foreigner from Birmingham - mistake no. 1 for a starter.

I suspect also if it's a seat with a higher proportion of older voters that there will be an awful lot of people who weren't able to be with sick or dying relatives over the last year, and it will really stick in their throats that Johnson and chums were happily partying away, and don't appear to see anything wrong with that.

It is more than the partying, although that factors into the impression that the Tory's don't care about what is going on. There have been massive cuts to local services, police stations have closed, buses, libraries, ambulance stations, the local courts, there is no sixth form, some students can't get to sixth form in Shrewsbury because there is no public transport.

Plus the constant emphasis on the Red Wall seats they have gained at the expense of voters who have been loyal to them for years (centuries in this case!)

@Peregrina

Plus the constant emphasis on the Red Wall seats they have gained at the expense of voters who have been loyal to them for years (centuries in this case!)

I don't think they'll find those red wall voters quite so loyal to the party.

I've always known de pfeffles hubris would be hos downfall. His utter disregard for anyone/anything that does not serve him is so very clear. No one can possibly deny it now.