Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Brexit
Original poster

Brexit mega thread part 4 : non goady thread : Christmas edition

981 replies

Opal8 · 07/12/2021 18:29

Hi,

Longtime lurker and poster (under various nn) on Westminstenders and these threads.

I'm afraid the other thread op pissed me off a lot so here's another option for those of us that want one.

Wishing you all a Happy Christmas and good luck for 2022.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
54
DuncinToffee · 14/12/2021 19:30

BBC now confirming 98 Tory 'rebels', and 8 Labour

DuncinToffee · 14/12/2021 19:34

Make that 96

It passed because of Labour voting with the government

HannibalHayeski · 14/12/2021 19:40

Giggles from Byline TV...

DGRossetti · 14/12/2021 19:48

@DuncinToffee

Make that 96

It passed because of Labour voting with the government

Will get back to the kind posters soon.

Raab was telling us that the 70 rebels would be much less once they had the situation explained to them.

Peregrina · 14/12/2021 20:07

Are the SNP abstentions because it's an England only matter? Although I see that one LD in Scotland also voted against..

prettybird · 14/12/2021 20:12

@Peregrina - yes, because the rules are about England.

AndreaC67 · 14/12/2021 20:12

I don't believe Labours job is ever to support the Govt of the day, short of war & then only if in coalition.

If this goes well, "look how well i did?" shouts BJ, if it goes badly "Labour caused this...."

Look how the Tories blamed all the bad things on the LDs and took the praise for the good things.

borntobequiet · 14/12/2021 20:37

Is it the hypocrisy? Or the stupidity? Where can satirists go from here?

I find Liz Truss as perplexing as I find Michael Gove.
What possesses these ostensibly intelligent and sensible people that turns them into deluded, unconvincing demagogues?

prettybird · 14/12/2021 20:47

Power SadAngry

HannibalHayeski · 14/12/2021 20:49

Well, we knew it was coming...

Peregrina · 14/12/2021 20:49

I don't believe Labours job is ever to support the Govt of the day, short of war & then only if in coalition.

I agree. It would need to be a proper coalition too - not one where a smaller party props up a larger one and then gets shafted. A genuine coalition where all MPs elect the best person to be PM and the PM then chooses a cross party Cabinet.

Govey toed the party line, but then he needs to if he wants to go clubbing!

Original poster
Opal8 · 14/12/2021 21:00

@AndreaC67

I don't believe Labours job is ever to support the Govt of the day, short of war & then only if in coalition.

If this goes well, "look how well i did?" shouts BJ, if it goes badly "Labour caused this...."

Look how the Tories blamed all the bad things on the LDs and took the praise for the good things.

Yep
OP posts:
Original poster
Opal8 · 14/12/2021 21:00

@HannibalHayeski

Well, we knew it was coming...
Yep
OP posts:
Original poster
Opal8 · 14/12/2021 21:00

Interesting timing?

OP posts:
jgw1 · 14/12/2021 21:11

@AndreaC67

I don't believe Labours job is ever to support the Govt of the day, short of war & then only if in coalition.

If this goes well, "look how well i did?" shouts BJ, if it goes badly "Labour caused this...."

Look how the Tories blamed all the bad things on the LDs and took the praise for the good things.

I think it is quite clever of Starmer. There would have been far fewer Tory rebels if they had to share the lobby with Labour. Tories end up looking stupid and their rebellion is the story, plus MPs that have rebelled once are much more likely to rebel again.
HannibalHayeski · 14/12/2021 22:01

The Papua New Guinea Courier is once again right on the money...

Brexit mega thread part 4 : non goady thread : Christmas edition
AndreaC67 · 14/12/2021 22:51

I think it is quite clever of Starmer. There would have been far fewer Tory rebels if they had to share the lobby with Labour. Tories end up looking stupid and their rebellion is the story, plus MPs that have rebelled once are much more likely to rebel again

mmmmmmm possibly, but i think for the rebels, this is about their belief in the Small State and that CV is basically a mild illness, they have voted against it regardless, they didn't vote against to send BJ a message, they wanted the measures defeated.

A Govt defeat is always far more news worthy than a small Westminster bubble rebellion that ultimately ended in a BJ victory, introducing measures that wont work.

I also don't like the way Whitty was called in to give a horror pep talk to MPs on the Omicron variant today, isn't his job to scare MPs into supporting BJ.

borntobequiet · 15/12/2021 05:51

I also don't like the way Whitty was called in to give a horror pep talk to MPs on the Omicron variant today, isn't his job to scare MPs into supporting BJ.

He’s the Chief Medical Officer for England. He doesn’t give horror pep talks , and it’s frivolous and wrong to characterise his advice as such.
It is his job to lay out the facts, and the facts at the moment are very bleak.

AndreaC67 · 15/12/2021 07:57

@borntobequiet

I also don't like the way Whitty was called in to give a horror pep talk to MPs on the Omicron variant today, isn't his job to scare MPs into supporting BJ.

He’s the Chief Medical Officer for England. He doesn’t give horror pep talks , and it’s frivolous and wrong to characterise his advice as such.
It is his job to lay out the facts, and the facts at the moment are very bleak.

On the day of the vote? on the day the PM also had a meeting with rebellious MPs? Some MPs left that meeting in horror at the stuff he had to say, little good it did though.

Do you not see the timing of this meeting a bit convenient for Boris?

IF it is that serious, why isn't he calling for mass gatherings to be stopped?
Further restrictions in hospitality?
Reintroduction of employment and business support ?

Original poster
Opal8 · 15/12/2021 08:57

Whitty is not a politician and it shows.

He is De Pfeffles fall guy big he has the integrity to put others before his own ego imo.

OP posts:
DuncinToffee · 15/12/2021 09:17

These 'rebel' Tories had made up their minds, bleating on about freedom and human rights, and nothing was going to change that.
Johnson would have been one of them if he wasn't PM

dontcallmelen · 15/12/2021 10:08

.

Peregrina · 15/12/2021 11:01

Johnson would have been one of them if he wasn't PM

As would Raab, Patel and Truss to name but three, but having spent so much time climbing the greasy pole, they don't want to jump off it.

The vote did produce some strange bedfellows though - MPs genuinely worried about a drift to authoritarianism and then the Right Wing destroy the state brigade (as long as they are alright, of course.)

HarrietPierce · 15/12/2021 12:34

"I also don't like the way Whitty was called in to give a horror pep talk to MPs on the Omicron variant today, isn't his job to scare MPs into supporting BJ."

"Horror pep talk" As chief medical office he was just giving the Government advice on measures that should be instigated regarding a new Covid variant that is spreading like wildfire.

DoctorTwo · 15/12/2021 12:36

I had an argument on Twitter last night with a Brexiteer who tried claiming that FPTP is the fairest voting system. Of course a niggardly bugger like me would argue against such arrant nonsense, and I did.

I said our system gave us our current corrupt bunch and we deserve better. His comeback was that at least they're not as corrupt as the eeuropeans. He blocked me after I proved otherwise.

Swipe left for the next trending thread