Brexit Megathread Part 3: COP26 and beyond. The Empire is no more.

[prettybird]

The old thread is nearly full so as COP26 is in my home town, I thought I'd start the next one.

I'm not expecting anything wonderful from COP26. The selfishness that is Brexit will extend to the rich nations - or rather corporations, countries and cronies - not wanting to do anything that might actually cost them money or hurt their profits and having made their money on the back of the resources of the poorer nations (in some cases quite literally ), they'll expect them to pay the price for the riches of the West.

The deliberate mistranslation of France's letter to the EU will distract from real issues - but that's ok for BJ as he can then blame the perfidious French.

Nothing changes.

As we all can do with a laugh
Role Models by Matt Green
twitter.com/mattgreencomedy/status/1464260525643210760?t=DkdJHKatk6ElUDGYALs04w&s=19

Some interesting points ...

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexit-is-the-real-reason-patel-was-barred-from-france-302653

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Writing in the Independent, he said: “The migrant crisis is bigger than Britain and indeed bigger than Britain and France. It is precisely the kind of thing that demands action at a supranational scale.

“This was what was going to be happening over the weekend, when Patel was going to swap ideas and contacts with counterparts from a half dozen other European countries – just like the old days in an EU Council of Ministers meeting.

“Sovereignty was to be pooled. If the UK was still an EU member state, the French would not have been able to “disinvite” the British home secretary – she’d have freedom of movement for a start.

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Well, we're 11 months in, and still the "overwhelming" majority of us think it's going badly...

@HannibalHayeski

Well, we're 11 months in, and still the "overwhelming" majority of us think it's going badly...

But what it doesn't tell you is that the reason it is all going so badly is because Macron and his pals are trying to make an example of the UK to further their chances of re-election. Just look at the nonsense over not letting the Home Secretary go to France to sort out the migrant problem, total grandstanding. Also Jeremy Corbyn.

Holidays are coming, yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2021/11/26/af1f1/1Brexshit style...

OK, messed that one up - this is supposed to be the image...

It's kind of funny, the "Macron has an election" spiel. Because every step BJ takes just provides Macron with a new opportunity.:
to sound cogent and coherent
to point out how leaders behave
to remind anyone who might need reminding of the basic rules of adult governance.

The French government spokesperson was pretty forthright:
BJ's letter was "indigent in terms of content and inappropriate in terms of how it was expressed".

Content: the UK said one thing in actual meetings with the French and another in its letter (which was aimed at Daily Mail readers)
Expression: such correspondence shouldn't be tweeted, but addressed to heads of state.

The UK is outsourcing problems.

He also said that what is needed and has been requested repeatedly is for the UK to send immigration officials to process asylum applications in France, before people start risking their lives on the sea.

And he added that some might think the UK gvmt was regretting Brexit since it keeps calling on others in the EU or the EU itself to help out.

BJ is handing this on a plate to an otherwise domestically beleaguered French government.

The French may have missed a trick by not letting the British Police patrol the French shores. These people smugglers are not stupid and will know how to avoid the authorities, so it would be difficult for any police force to stop them. The French could have said - see, you can't stop them either!

My favourite was France accusing the UK of impinging on its sovereignty

These days (every day?), Johnson just makes one misstep and then another. Always playing to the crowd his adoring public and never to his political counterparts. Maybe because he’s tired of them showing him up as to just how unprepared and uninformed he is? FGS tweeting his letter.

Just an obvious distraction from his many recent failings such as his disastrous CBI speech and contempt for public standards. So now he picks a fight with France because doesn't that always go down well with the British voter. And isn’t it lucky that the new DM editor is helping him out again with misleading headlines.

It is so embarrassing to have him as PM.

But maybe the Tory party are starting to agree? Recently The Times has had articles referring to Sunak’s being ‘furious’ with No 10… certainly sounding like a changing of the guard is being engineered.

The French may have missed a trick by not letting the British Police patrol the French shores.

As either the French Foreign Minister, or MP for Calais said on R4:

We have this thing called sovereignty. You may have heard of it ?

Which shut the "discussion" down immediately. (But not before the point was made that the idea the English would reciprocally accept French gendarmes on the beachers of Kent was never going to happen.)

@jgw1

BJ sent a letter to Macron, an hour latter, BJ publishes it on Twitter..

No way to conduct international diplomacy, what on earth was he thinking?

The letter proposed nothing new and was an attempt to show Tory supporters he was doing "something" this was admitted by Downing Street.

The UK cannot expect the same level to EU decision making as before, naïve to think otherwise.

A far right Govt in France would do far less to halt cross ch people smuggling.

The solution is to work with france and the rest of the EU, not trying to antagonise them.....which unfortunately, is what suits the current govt.

I suspect it's dawning on the Tories they need to do better than have a stopped-clock PM who is only right twice a day.

And the EU - and it's member states - now has a massive PR edge over the UK, as fuck all people in the UK know the faintest clue about what happens outside the UK. (They think they do, which is more the funnier usually). So having been spoon fed a narrative by our anglophone press, it's more often than not the reality turns out to contradict them.

And then it's not perfidious Albion, but "Bloody French".

Two inches of snow in Birmingham today.

Octavia174 @jgw1's comment was ironic.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-leadership-brady-1922-committee-b1964244.html

Party sources have played down reports that as many as a dozen MPs have sent letters of no confidence in the PM to 1922 chairman Sir Graham Brady, with whips saying they had no information of this happening.

But maybe the Tory party are starting to agree?

It’s like when you have a seriously disruptive kid in class. For a while it’s exciting and fun. See them defy the teacher! Wait for the next piece of tomfoolery! It’s a laugh and you don’t have to do any work. But after a while it’s just boring and embarrassing. You realise said kid isn’t clever or amusing any more, they make you look stupid too and you’re relieved when they’re moved to another group or school.
I’ve had a class burst into spontaneous applause when informed such a child wouldn’t be returning, and they were a naughty bunch with little appetite for learning.

We could make bets on when Johnson will be stepping down? My guess is January. New year, new PM.

Is there anything that we’d miss about his leadership?? And not being ironic either

The one thing very non Tory about him is his willingness to throw money at a problem. Okay it’s his MO to buy love, but accepting that money will flow to Tory donors regardless of who’s PM as long as the money is there do we care?

@HarrietPierce

Octavia174 *@jgw1*'s comment was ironic.

That went right over my head!

The trouble is, what she wrote is exactly what a good proportion of the pop. believe.

Octavia174

"The trouble is, what she wrote is exactly what a good proportion of the pop. believe."

Exactly And it's fed to them by The Daily Fail, the Express, the Sun and the Telegraph.

[quote Octavia174]@jgw1

BJ sent a letter to Macron, an hour latter, BJ publishes it on Twitter..

No way to conduct international diplomacy, what on earth was he thinking?

The letter proposed nothing new and was an attempt to show Tory supporters he was doing "something" this was admitted by Downing Street.

The UK cannot expect the same level to EU decision making as before, naïve to think otherwise.

A far right Govt in France would do far less to halt cross ch people smuggling.

The solution is to work with france and the rest of the EU, not trying to antagonise them.....which unfortunately, is what suits the current govt.[/quote]
As someone said a few days ago Boris is an excellent campaigner.
He currently seems to be trying to help Macron's presidential campaign as much as possible.

Every time one of our elected representatives opens their mouth about Brexit I cringe, they're all of the belief that we mere voters believe their bullshit. How come our politicians are so facile?

@DrBlackbird

We could make bets on when Johnson will be stepping down? My guess is January. New year, new PM.

Is there anything that we’d miss about his leadership?? And not being ironic either

The one thing very non Tory about him is his willingness to throw money at a problem. Okay it’s his MO to buy love, but accepting that money will flow to Tory donors regardless of who’s PM as long as the money is there do we care?

We miss his charm, intelligence and foresight.

jgw1 hadn’t even thought of those…silly me.

@jgw1 You re just like that guy i see on FB "Daly Male" lol!

Johnson won't resign, he is loving it, even if he lost the next GE, he would try and get the result overturned.

Johnson is our Poundland Trump so trying to gerrymander or deny the results would be par for the course.

Claiming an "overwhelming majority" of the UK wanted Brexit is along those lines: 53:48 of those that voted 6 years ago is by no means an overwhelming majority and neither, despite his 80 seat majority in the HoP, was the 2019 election, thanks to the vagaries of FPTP.

I will, however, acknowledge that, again thanks to the UK's FPTP system, he does have an "overwhelming majority" in the HoP to "get things done" - and he's failing even at that . His unelected bureaucrat, I mean fellow cabinet member (ennobled for that purpose), is doing his best to scupper the NIP, despite what the majority of people and businesses in NI want - and the knock-on consequences to the overall deal with the EU fuck them is his petty attitude

@prettybird

Johnson is our Poundland Trump so trying to gerrymander or deny the results would be par for the course.

Claiming an "overwhelming majority" of the UK wanted Brexit is along those lines: 53:48 of those that voted 6 years ago is by no means an overwhelming majority and neither, despite his 80 seat majority in the HoP, was the 2019 election, thanks to the vagaries of FPTP.

I will, however, acknowledge that, again thanks to the UK's FPTP system, he does have an "overwhelming majority" in the HoP to "get things done" - and he's failing even at that . His unelected bureaucrat, I mean fellow cabinet member (ennobled for that purpose), is doing his best to scupper the NIP, despite what the majority of people and businesses in NI want - and the knock-on consequences to the overall deal with the EU fuck them is his petty attitude

It is hardly Boris' fault that he has a young family and a pandemic to deal with. He is a very busy man.