Brexit Megathread - Part 1 because it's not over by a long shot

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Started a new thread for all things Brexity as the last generic dumping ground reached its 1000 post limit. As this developing shitshow unfolds it's going to be important to share and unload. Clav of course will punt a contrarian view along with unrepentant 'taking back control' so-called Brexiteers. I look forward to seeing the benefits.

That's a very depressing - and accurate - analysis @AuldAlliance

The only counter to that hopeless picture is that in 1992 when Major unexpectedly got back in and I despaired of Middle England ever voting Labour again and that we were doomed to a Conservative Government forever, my parents insisted I shouldn't give up hope.

They were right, I was wrong should've known better - the proof being the 1997 election.

Can't see it happening again though - but I suppose in 1982 I couldn't see it either

I (and my parents) were Unionists although that's not the term I'd have used back then. Wouldn't have predicted me (and them) changing our views so radically either.

@Peregrina

Headline in the Torygraph.

The Brexit-hating global elite is watching Britain's chaos with glee
Furious voters won't stand by if the Tory Government's incompetence turns us into a worldwide laughing stock.

I can't read it because it's behind the pay wall and I am not going to put a penny the way of the Torygraph. But if the 'Global Elite' hate Brexit then maybe it wasn't such a good idea. You would think global elites, being moneyed and liking tax havens would love it.

They mean Jewish people, not actual billionaires.

Indeed so prettybird. I went to a hustings where Michael Foot was speaking and he went on and on about the 1945 election, and I recall thinking how my children would be able to vote before the decade was out and they weren't likely to be persuaded by what happened then, any more than I would have been persuaded by what the situation was in the 1920s when I cast my first vote in 1970. I was completely wrong - John Smith came and then Blair and there was a mega landslide or in the words of the late Tony King, it was like an asteroid hitting the planet. Competely unforeseen five years earlier.

They mean Jewish people, not actual billionaires.

Sadly, that makes sense. Now wasn't it the Labour Party that was being called out for being anti-semitic at the last election? Was the Tory Party called out for being no better? I don'r recall it happening.

The Brexit-hating global elite is watching Britain's chaos with glee

This is a disgraceful phrase to print, illustrating the extent to which blind bigotry forms the foundation of the Brexit agenda.

The 'global elite' means Jewish people, aka Theresa May's 'citizens of nowhere'. I recall the braying applause at the Party Conference when that phrase was uttered.

Language like that is very dangerous.

Oh look, we have a new squirrel who has nothing to contribute except personal attacks. Brexit still going brilliantly then.

The 'global elite' means Jewish people

I'd posit that to most of the country, including me, 'global elite' means billionaires, dictators and royalty - who gets to define this as meaning 'Jewish people'?

If it really does mean this then what phrase are we supposed to use to define the uber-wealthy?

@FrankieStein403 thank you for asking the question. I was wondering too!
I love this discussion. I have just been reading about the citizens of nowhere speech.

It's so incoherent @pointythings that I'm not even sure what point it was trying to make, so best ignored

Wow,

“On Friday the Prime Minister said never mind life expectancy, never mind cancer outcomes, look at wage growth. What does that say of this Prime Ministers priority’s?”

Rishi Sunak - “I think that was a mischaracterization of what he said”

Niall Patterson on Sky News

Such a great thread

Farming Today This Week (Sat): The Food Supply Chain Crisis.

You’re welcome.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00106xr

Found this on twitter;

@prettybird Sorry about your friend .

I don't know where we go from here, until we have a responsible Government in charge, it's going to be difficult.

Food banks warn of smaller parcels due to HGV supply shortages. Food banks are having issues due to the supply chain disruption, rising prices, rising demand due to Universal Credit cut (and rising energy and food prices meaning more people are struggling) and falling donations. When things aren't going well, I try and think of something positive to do because what else can you do. This has reminded me to get a few things in for the local food bank.

@pointythings

Oh look, we have a new squirrel who has nothing to contribute except personal attacks. Brexit still going brilliantly then.

Poor angry squirrel.

Susie Dent

Word of the day is ‘flapdoodle’ (19th century): stuff and nonsense.

[quote borntobequiet]Farming Today This Week (Sat): The Food Supply Chain Crisis.

You’re welcome.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00106xr[/quote]
Just listened to this.

So reassuring to hear that abattoirs and farming in general must start to now consider a move towards being more automated and less reliant on people, one of the charms of Brexit being less foreigners and more robots. Perhaps the ‘Brexit creating more jobs’ argument was aimed at machinery and robots. The journey for livestock to the abattoir would be much longer as newer automated plants will be few and far between due to cost.

A slight hiccup in the plan will be we only have to wait a few years whilst dealing with shortages and disruptions to the supply chains and then pay inflated prices, the greener pastures will come, eventually, hopefully perhaps at some stage.

Place-cat plonking, here.

I am sorry to hear your news, @prettybird.

Looking forward, our EU membership is dead, buried and gone. However, I can see an argument being made in the future for a looser EEA agreement that will incorporate the FOM (on the basis that we need workers and they are coming over under licence anyway, so let's keep the paperwork down and give British citizens reciprocal rights, but don't mention Brexit, OK?).

It's going to take at least a decade for the realisation and the hangover, us at least one change of Government.

The bright spark is that the Tories backers will get pissed off with the state of play at some point (I have been told a few even live in the UK) and will defenestrate Johnson for someone who can actually govern as soon as his popularity slips.

I don't even pretend to live in a democracy anymore.

TheABC, I agree. We do not live in a heathy democracy when our media, at best, do not scrutinise those in power, and at worst, engage in untruthful propaganda. I believe this to be the current state of the media in the UK. In a situation such as this voters are not making an informed choice. When voters do not have access to the information to make an informed choice, can we truly be a democracy?

I’m sorry to read about your friend @prettybird

Poor angry squirrel

Apparently we are all supposed to buy our Christmas turkeys now and put them in the freezer... Of course lots of people can't afford to and/or won't have a big enough freezer but hey taste the sovereignty.

Applause during Sunak's speech is very muted. It's making me cringe for him.

Mind you - he's claiming that the government had a plan - which err... yeah.

The Pandora Papers were an inconveniently timed leak. It will be interesting to see if this hijacks the Tory conference in the same way as identity politics did for Labour.

Labour = mysiogyny/anti sematism
Tory = sleeze.

There's a reason why these labels recur.

@FrankieStein403

>The 'global elite' means Jewish people

I'd posit that to most of the country, including me, 'global elite' means billionaires, dictators and royalty - who gets to define this as meaning 'Jewish people'?

If it really does mean this then what phrase are we supposed to use to define the uber-wealthy?

The Telegraph is referencing a well-know anti-Semitic conspiracy theory about the “Great Reset” - that Jewish people are deliberately setting out to destroy Christian civilisation. Oh, and Israel created Covid, that’s why their vaccination program was so good.

www.adl.org/blog/the-great-reset-conspiracy-flourishes-amid-continued-pandemic

The phrase “global elite” is tainted, just as “cosmopolitan” was tainted by the Soviet use of it. I agree we need a term for it! But not that one.