Brexit Megathread - Part 1 because it's not over by a long shot

[vera99]

Started a new thread for all things Brexity as the last generic dumping ground reached its 1000 post limit. As this developing shitshow unfolds it's going to be important to share and unload. Clav of course will punt a contrarian view along with unrepentant 'taking back control' so-called Brexiteers. I look forward to seeing the benefits.

Ah, 1dayatatime, being Cornish is now an ethnic group.

As I said, I love the Cornish, I spend a lot of time down there, and have a lot of Cornish friends. Admittedly the ones I count as friends are as horrified by Brexshit as I am.

Or are you maybe a bot that's been activated by something?

I retract my implied Cornwall smears not clever or funny. If they wish to continue returning Tories then that there is democratic right, not sure why they would think they had best interests at heart though.

@prettybird going to ignore her from now on. Life's too short.

www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-announces-new-funding-for-cornwall-to-create-a-g7-legacy-for-the-region

Lucky for them there was a summit.

What has the EU ever done for Cornwall?

Cornwall has received over 1 billion euros from the EU since the year 2000 which has helped fund jobs, local businesses, infrastructure, training and research.

Beneficiaries include the Combined Universities in Cornwall, Newlyn Fish Market, the Jubilee Pool in Penzance, the Camborne – Pool link road, the Eden Project, Superfast Broadband, and recently the new Penzance Heliport but there are many more (see links below). It has created more than 31,000 jobs and supported more than 26,000 businesses. Cornwall had been on course to receive another £350m for the next round of funding from the years after 2020.

Here are just a few of the recipients of EU funding in Cornwall and the amounts they received:

Newlyn Fish Market £1.3m
The Eden Project £26m+
Cornwall Airport Newquay £40m+
Combined Universities in Cornwall £173m
Superfast Cornwall (Broadband) £53.5m
Hall for Cornwall £2.1m
A30 Improvements £20m+
Innovation Centres (Pool, Tremough & Health & Wellbeing Treliske)
Aerohub Enterprise Zone £4.4m
Cornwall Business Start-Up £5.9m
Cornwall New Energy £2.7m
Cultivator Business Support £1m
Engagement and activity for the unemployed £12.9m
Unlocking Cornish Potential (UCP) £8m+
Export for Growth £2.4m
Family and Community Essential Skills £500k
Financial Readiness Project £3m
Heartlands Project £2.8m
Integrated Territorial Investment (ITI) Support Team £1.9m
Invest In Cornwall £1.7m
Isles of Scilly Technical Assistance £500k
Isles of Scilly Voucher Scheme £1.4m
Jubilee Pool, Penzance Geothermal Heat Project £1.5m
Launchpad (Graduate start-up scheme) £9.8m
Outset Cornwall (Business Start-ups) £3.4m
Local Manufacturing Advisory Program £124k
Skills for Young People £1.3m
St Erth Multi Modal Hub (Transport Hub) £5.4m
Superfast Business £3m

More funding details here:
cornwallforeurope.org/funding/

I do wish Clav would take up less thread real estate with massive quotes.

It would be far more believable, Clav’s pov that is, if there was the feeling there was a person behind the posts. It feels more like an employee.. if you’re not getting paid for this maybe you should be

You could just say what you think as a person, sum it up, and post a link.

Takes lot less space. The rest of thread is interesting. Just saying, like

That's why I no longer bother reading his or her posts @Lonelycrab 

If he or she contributed some independent thought and analysis, as @LouiseCollins28 - who I almost always tend to disagree with but whom I usually respect - does, then it might be worth it.

As it is, it's not

@HannibalHayeski

Ah, 1dayatatime, being Cornish is now an ethnic group.

As I said, I love the Cornish, I spend a lot of time down there, and have a lot of Cornish friends. Admittedly the ones I count as friends are as horrified by Brexshit as I am.

Or are you maybe a bot that's been activated by something?

Yes you're right, Cornish is an minority ethnic group, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, other than confirming your comments were racist.

Yes, a certain user appears to be some sort of Conservative social media rebuttal squad. Never get a feeling of why (s)he is for Brexit and Boris, what this means to her personally. How (s)he feels about all of this. MN is an important part of the social media landscape and any party worth their salt would be trying to get their messages out on this platform. A quick clever googling of a certain name shows that they only post on threads about tory policy and in no other context. Just saying ...

However troll hunting isn't allowed so I wont...

@HannibalHayeski

Ah, 1dayatatime, being Cornish is now an ethnic group.

As I said, I love the Cornish, I spend a lot of time down there, and have a lot of Cornish friends. Admittedly the ones I count as friends are as horrified by Brexshit as I am.

Or are you maybe a bot that's been activated by something?

Cornish ethnic minority legal position:

www.gov.uk/government/news/cornish-granted-minority-status-within-the-uk

You may not find your stereotyping comments offensive but I do as well as finding them outdated, ill informed and basically tiring.

@vera99

I retract my implied Cornwall smears not clever or funny. If they wish to continue returning Tories then that there is democratic right, not sure why they would think they had best interests at heart though.

Firstly thank you for the retraction.

Secondly, on previous elections Cornwall was strong Lib Dem territory however at the last election democratically decided it was a good idea to vote for an out for himself, out of depth and out of control serial liar. That said so did large parts of Britain,

I just wonder with hindsight how they feel about their voting decision now .

"You may not find your stereotyping comments offensive but I do as well as finding them outdated, ill informed and basically tiring."

Frankly, having spent a lot of time in Cornwall, the Cornish people i know think that those that voted for Brexshit are fucking idiots.

If 1dayatatime you are objecting to this, you are either one of the idiots, or a bot like Comical Clavi - only activated by the word "Cornwall".

Comical Clavi does actually have a point although it doesn't actually make points in that Labour seem to be doing their best to make themselves unelectable.

However; people need to wake up to the fact that Boris and his kleptocrats are a million time worse than Kier Starmer would be if he was actually trying to screw the country up.

That's why I'm frankly aghast at the idiots on these threads with their anti-trans stuff suggesting that they will vote for de Pfeffel because someone in Labour/LibDems/Greens/SNP actually thinks that trans people deserve some tiny amount of consideration.

I know it's a discussion for a different board, which is why I've bitten my tongue for a long time, but you fucking need to sort your fucking priorities out. Do you honestly think that the Tories are going to do any fucking thing for women's rights?

Really, this is the kind of childish shit that Labour are fucking themselves over with.

Grow the fuck up.

Women are worse off under the Tories, in my opinion. I say this because there are many single mums out there, who even if they work full time, need benefit too ups. It’s barely enough to live off any more. That with rising food and utility prices…

I’m glad I’m not in that situation any more and have two salaries coming in. The thought of having to rely on my previous lone salary actually terrifies me right now. If my relationship was abusive, I’m not actually sure I would leave. All this “I’m not voting Labour because they don’t know what a woman is” is probably harmful to women.

Regarding Mebyon Kernow I voted for our local candidate to be a councillor. Mainly because they campaign for more social homes. Also because he was the only one who had a chance of beating the Tory, which he did. MK also backed remain…

@HannibalHayeski

Comical Clavi does actually have a point although it doesn't actually make points in that Labour seem to be doing their best to make themselves unelectable.

However; people need to wake up to the fact that Boris and his kleptocrats are a million time worse than Kier Starmer would be if he was actually trying to screw the country up.

That's why I'm frankly aghast at the idiots on these threads with their anti-trans stuff suggesting that they will vote for de Pfeffel because someone in Labour/LibDems/Greens/SNP actually thinks that trans people deserve some tiny amount of consideration.

I know it's a discussion for a different board, which is why I've bitten my tongue for a long time, but you fucking need to sort your fucking priorities out. Do you honestly think that the Tories are going to do any fucking thing for women's rights?

Really, this is the kind of childish shit that Labour are fucking themselves over with.

Grow the fuck up.

This, 100% this.

Mebyon Kernow are a left of centre party and highlight the bigotry shown against the Cornish by the English especially over this summer.

Recall, as I have reminded you before, until about 30 years ago, the SNP was regarded as a joke. People are not joking now; it's got Westminster rattled. So much so, they are now busy talking down Scottish Independence.

Note too how Priti Patel is desperate to see Mayoral elections returned to be first past the post, but hasn't made the same proposal for Holyrood. Why not? Because the Tories would get wiped out. Probably LD and Labour too, but they are not in Government.

FT reporting today that financial services companies in London now pressing for a short term visa scheme to avoid Brexit red tape/costs. Transport, agriculture, hospitality, FS…I wonder if there will be any major industry that won’t be pleading their “special” case for free-er movement?

If Comical Clavi isn’t being paid, he/she should be!

The government and more pointedly Johnson getting a good kicking over at his old stomping ground the Spectator.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/running-on-empty-the-government-is-out-of-fuel--and-ideas

The Prime Minister is thought to thrive on chaos. If so, then he should be in his element. Wholesale gas prices have risen sixfold, winter heating bills are set to be the highest on record. Millions of people across the country are wondering what they might have to forgo to pay for heat. Supermarkets are warning of food shortages. There are 100,000 missing HGV drivers. The army has been called in to help, but has only 150 tanker drivers available. Queues for petrol jam the roads, and medics can’t get to work.

The Prime Minister might thrive on chaos, but Tory members do not. ‘Tory grassroots are furious,’ says one MP. Not just about the prospect of energy bills rising, but about the increase to National Insurance too. ‘The general public may not be fuming over tax hikes yet, but our membership is not happy.’

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‘We’re in decline,’ says one Tory MP. ‘It happens gradually, and then suddenly.’ But why, when there’s effectively no opposition? Labour — gifted with an energy crisis and a deployment of the army during party conference season — have once again failed to land blows on the government. ‘The assumption is that Labour can’t win because the party’s gone to pieces. And that may be true,’ says the MP. ‘But Labour doesn’t need to be great. Economic forces may still tear down the house.’

Which economic forces? Take your pick: gas prices, rising fuel demand, the labour market crunch, NHS capacity and waiting lists, inflationary pressures. The virus exposed a myriad of places where provision is being held together by a string.

While it’s true that there’s a Europe-wide fall in truck driver numbers (lured to Amazon-style home delivery jobs), there is a homegrown aspect to Britain’s driver shortage which has attracted less attention. During lockdown, the testing of new HGV drivers collapsed, and no one thought about the implications. In a typical January, about 3,000 licences are granted. This January, it was just 173. Overall, just 24,600 drivers were approved last year — some 17,000 fewer than in a typical year. ‘Grant Shapps should have seen this coming,’ says one minister. ‘He should have realised delivery is critical to infrastructure. He’s lucky people are blaming Brexit.’

Should we be sorry for those Tory members who are furious? Who voted for Johnson as leader of their party?

As Johnson rouses from his claret swilled fitful sleep assailed by Wilfred crying and Carrie moaning he wonders what fresh horrors a new day will bring ... where's that fridge when you need it.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/29/brexit-hating-global-elite-watching-britains-chaos-glee/

What’s wrong with this Government? Why is it so passive, veering from crisis to crisis without a strategy, devoid of any meaningful plan? Speak to the Prime Minister’s core supporters, and you soon detect that an earlier sense of disappointment is mutating into a slow, mounting fury at the chaos and incompetence that this Government increasingly exudes.

Such people voted Brexit in 2016 and Tory in 2019 because they thought the country was on the wrong track and that it was time for a radical shake-up. They are starting to fear that they wasted their time, that this Government will let them down just as badly as previous ones did, on crime, on the economy and on cultural issues.

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It is hardly a surprise, therefore, that so many Tory voters are upset. They are right that the Government’s incompetence is humiliating Britain. The chaos can no longer be blamed on Brussels’ policies, or European judges or anybody else. The buck stops at No 10.

No Peregrina. They are happy to elect chaos and misery into other people's lives, it's only when it comes knocking on their door that they see a problem.

I feel no pity just fury at those that elevated Johnson to any position of authority. As Mayor, all he had to do was grandstand on big projects initiated by others and crack jokes at PR stunts. There are no tools in his cupboard, indeed there is no cupboard.

They were warned and I make no apology for continually linking Max Hasting's appraisal at the sad excuse of a man who had the misfortune to be his boss for very many years. The problem was the other choice was Jeremy and somebody else whose name I have forgotten and can't be arsed to google !

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain

I wouldn't vote for a Tory even if you put a gun to my head, but I sure as fuck won't vote for any parties that hate female humans and tell lies about biology.

After managing to put £20 worth of fuel into my car yesterday - and hearing that DD (65 mile round trip commute) had also been able to, I felt greatly relieved.
Then I reflected on the fact that this is how abusive relationships work. Keep someone on tenterhooks, worrying that the worst will happen, constantly lie and gaslight, deprive people of the small pleasures in life (like security, routine and predictability) whenever possible, and the sense of relief when things go well is addictive, a dopamine hit like a gambling win. And I realised that this is how oppressive authoritarian regimes exploit their populations. I’m sure it’s not an original thought, but it was a new understanding for me.

@TheElementsSong

I wouldn't vote for a Tory even if you put a gun to my head, but I sure as fuck won't vote for any parties that hate female humans and tell lies about biology.

Also if people actually believe these patent absurdities, in what other ways can they be captured by even more toxic ideology and magical thinking? These things cause great harms. Religions have found very inventive ways to mutilate and kill people down the ages, just for disagreeing with dogma. Women have been threatened with rape and murder recently for perfectly innocuous statements and the reiteration of dictionary definitions.