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Westminstenders: Tachographs and Empty Shelves

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pointythings · 11/07/2021 17:58

So Grant Shapps' solution to the shortage of lorry drivers is to allow them to drive longer hours.

Leading to more accidents and deaths on the UK's roads. But Brexit is Job Done and all is well - isn't it?

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yellowspanner · 11/09/2021 11:13

And for the record, I am still a keen Brexiteer. 🇬🇧

AuldAlliance · 11/09/2021 11:22

Barnier's comments were made at a meeting in Nîmes yesterday, and I've not actually heard exactly what he said. A lot of commentary is secondhand.

Le Monde is reporting that "Brussels" is stunned, though, so Clav isn't alone in struggling to dissociate Barnier from his role in the negotiations.

Barnier brought out a book this summer, which I've not seen and which didn't get much media coverage so I'm not sure of its exact content. The only info I can find right now on his immigration ideas is in Le Figaro behind a firewall which I'd cut my own ear off before paying to see behind. In the bit I can read, he clearly refers to terrorism, Islamic State, etc. so it's probably not FOM per se he's referring to.

Without being anti-FOM, he may perhaps be in favour of more screening and increased border controls - and the court case brought by victims and relatives of victims of the Paris terror attacks that killed 130 and wounded 350 in 2015 has just begun, so some French voters may be looking with concern at possible repercussions of events in Afghanistan. Also, those terrorists skipped back and forth a lot between Belgium and France, as well as the UK, so that may be a factor in some voters' minds, too.

However, as far as I can tell, Covid has slightly shifted issues like that off the radar, I think. The health minister who was in the post when the pandemic began has just been in court, too, facing charges of endangering others' lives and "knowingly failing to take action to fight a disaster" (my loose translation). Other key political figures are being investigated as well by the court that looks into the conduct of those currently holding ministerial positions. Not something Boris et al. have to worry about, obviously, as they handled it all so well.

None of it is simple, however satisfying a few gotcha c&p's may appear.

AuldAlliance · 11/09/2021 11:24

yellowspanner

Barnier clearly referred to "judicial sovereignty*.
Not sovereignty, the catch-all term used in the UK Brexit context.

AuldAlliance · 11/09/2021 11:27

And if the ECJ is the be all and end all of courts why does he want France to leave its jurisdiction ?
Just saying 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

This is exactly what I meant about nuance.
When did Barnier (or anyone, for that matter) say that the ECJ is the be all and end all of courts?
Only fools reason in those terms.

FrankieStein403 · 11/09/2021 12:05

Still nothing from the beleavers to show we are better off post-brexit or anything that actually predicts we will be better off. (statements to that effect from politicians don't count.)

Members being unhappy with the EU? So what? Every member will be unhappy at something/some time but they stay there and get things changed - we had that option.

Peregrina · 11/09/2021 13:29

But this is the best Brexiters can come up with. Shortages of HGV drivers so thst goods are not getting to many shops? Hasn't happened in their little neck of the wood, so it hasnt happened at all. Oh to be so blinkered.

prettybird · 11/09/2021 14:52

Was listening to the news item about this yesterday on the radio with dh:

Food shortages could be permanent, warns industry body https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58519997

'Mr Wright stressed that "the UK shopper and consumer could have previously expected just about any product they want to be on the [supermarket] shelf or in the restaurant all the time.

"That's over. And I don't think it's coming back."

Commented to dh that my current approach of "if I see something, get it", especially in the run up to Christmas is therefore the correct one Wink It's sensible stockpiling and not panic buying Grin that reminds me, I need to replenish my loo roll Wink He agreed Grin

I remember when we lived briefly in NZ in the mid 70s, mum often bought things for "Ron", as in (Later)Ron, as you couldn't guarantee being able to get it later-ron Shock

Never expected a country like the UK to end up in that situation Confused

HappyWinter · 11/09/2021 15:05

There's definitely some gaps on the shelves, there is still plenty at the moment but you can see where the supply chain is under strain from covid/brexit/shipping issues and there isn't as much choice, with random products going missing for several weeks at a time. I'm getting more missing products with Sainsburys and more subsitutions when it arrives, Aldi has random gaps with certain products disappearing, and the baby section in Boots looks a bit sparse now. Arla had to cut their milk delivery to supermarkets by 10% several weeks ago due to a shortage of HGV drivers.

pointythings · 11/09/2021 15:30

I can't get sparkling water anywhere near me.

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purplesequins · 11/09/2021 15:46

the fizzy drink department of jumbo supermarkets here are also pretty bare.
seems to be an issue with both carbondioxide and tins.
read today that canada has had a dismal harvest of durum wheat due to weather which will lead to price increases/shortages soon for pasta.

AuldAlliance · 11/09/2021 15:49

Yep. Buy pasta...

dontcallmelen · 11/09/2021 15:52

Gaps in all the supermarkets near me lots of random stuff, no disinfectant delicates washing liquid, baby formula has been difficult to find.
Fresh veg & fruit quite sparse also milk.

DGRossetti · 11/09/2021 17:27

@Peregrina

You remember the quote attributed to Mark Twain:“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt”

I think most Brexiters are a bit stupid. I read their posts or see videos/TV programmes of prominent Brexiters and they confirm it.

Anyone remember the Spitting Image song "I've never met a nice South African" ?

Time may be ripe for a slight re-tweak of the lyrics ...

DGRossetti · 11/09/2021 17:34

It's a good rule to be extremely careful about UK reporting of foreign affairs. Quite aside from the agenda of the outlet is the incredible skill needed to translate the nuances of one language to another. I feel quite comfortable of playing the Brexiteer here and commenting on Barniers speech without actually bothering myself with any facts. But I do wonder how much has been lost - or gained - in translation.

I've noticed before some howlers in the Montalbano subtitles - and they are (presumably) prepared by professionals.

WanJames · 11/09/2021 19:34

I love Montslbano…no sparkling water to be found here either.

FatCatThinCat · 11/09/2021 19:51

Apoarently it's not just a shortage of HGV drivers. When those pesky EU hauliers left they took their HGVs with them.

prettybird · 11/09/2021 19:55

No Milton fluid/baby bleach/sterilising fluid in my local big Sainsbury's for weeks Sad

(I prefer it to standard bleach for cleaning thermoses and for getting stains out of my white China mugs for my poncy tea Wink)

Anecdata - but the cumulative stories tell a not very pretty story Sad

Which reminds me: I'm running short of saline solution (used with my contact lenses). Must make sure to get some more for Ron sooner rather than later Halo

HappyWinter · 11/09/2021 20:00

It's patchy, there's no bleach in Aldi for ages. I didn't realise it was a HGV shortage too. I'm praying Arla won't have any major issues as no milk = unhappy toddler. Montalbano is great.

WanJames · 11/09/2021 20:00

Montalbano 😂

prettybird · 11/09/2021 20:36

The Lidl on the way to my dad's had no blue top (full fat) milk last week at midday and the following day I got the last two 4 pint bottles of it in my local Lidl in the early afternoon Shock

There was plenty today though when I went at about 4.

Peregrina · 11/09/2021 20:56

It's getting like the collapse of the USSR - you see a queue and go and join it.

DrBlackbird · 12/09/2021 09:41

Looks like we can look forward to a decade more of this sh*t show given Johnson’s political aspirations and given the determined obtuseness of his ardent followers.

DH reported no milk when he went to shops on Friday. He’s switching to oat milk.

DrBlackbird · 12/09/2021 09:44

Somewhat off topic, but has anyone else heard about more lockdowns scheduled for October if numbers don’t drop soon?

Or it that an urban social media myth?

DGRossetti · 12/09/2021 09:46

No complaints about Brexit from Estonia

www.cityam.com/exclusive-we-are-benefitting-hugely-from-brexit-says-estonias-prime-minister/

Eve · 12/09/2021 15:25

@AuldAlliance

Yep. Buy pasta...
Driving back from Italy - DH has bought enough of his favourite pasta brand for the next year!