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Westminstenders: Tachographs and Empty Shelves

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pointythings · 11/07/2021 17:58

So Grant Shapps' solution to the shortage of lorry drivers is to allow them to drive longer hours.

Leading to more accidents and deaths on the UK's roads. But Brexit is Job Done and all is well - isn't it?

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HesterThrale · 13/08/2021 17:03

How it started and how it’s going:

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/brexit-before-and-after-stories-will-leave-you-express-perated-285804/

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/brexit-benefits-uk-manufacturers-285873/

I feel no ‘I told you so’ vengeful joy. Just sadness. We all have years of crap to come.

Jason118 · 13/08/2021 17:23

Never let them forget, never allow a false claim to go unchallenged, never ignore gaslighting or rewriting of history, it's the only way to stay sane.

DGRossetti · 13/08/2021 19:45

@Jason118

Never let them forget, never allow a false claim to go unchallenged, never ignore gaslighting or rewriting of history, it's the only way to stay sane.
Fat chance of that, given had WW1 is taught ....
Jason118 · 13/08/2021 22:38

Jason118
Never let them forget, never allow a false claim to go unchallenged, never ignore gaslighting or rewriting of history, it's the only way to stay sane.
Fat chance of that, given had WW1 is taught ....

I know it won't work, but it keeps me going, people at work won't raise the subject now but I'll keep pointing it out whether they like it, listen, or not Grin

DGRossetti · 14/08/2021 08:26

@Jason118

Jason118 Never let them forget, never allow a false claim to go unchallenged, never ignore gaslighting or rewriting of history, it's the only way to stay sane. Fat chance of that, given had WW1 is taught ....

I know it won't work, but it keeps me going, people at work won't raise the subject now but I'll keep pointing it out whether they like it, listen, or not Grin

Yes, but they will die. And history will show that Brexit - like WW1 - was "inevitable" rather than the actions of combined empires to ensure the hoi polloi stayed in their place.

It's already happening

Peregrina · 14/08/2021 09:09

people at work won't raise the subject now but I'll keep pointing it out whether they like it, listen, or not

I am retired - even DH who says he voted Remain won't talk about it, but that is not shutting me up.

One time 'friends' who thanked heavens we were out of the EU so that they could get their Covid vaccine have been quietly dropped. They were not close friends - I am not sure what I would do if I found that a really close friend was a Brexit supporter. The lack of freedom of movement has really messed life up for one of my DC's so I do feel it more keenly than many people.

Peregrina · 14/08/2021 09:11

This is a strange how do you do
Was Priti Patel ever appointed to the Security role or did she just assume?

HesterThrale · 15/08/2021 08:18

Depressing thread about shop shortages from a logistics worker.
I don’t know why supermarkets are dressing it as ‘high demand’; why can’t they be honest and say ‘low supply’?
Wine and beer shelves in my supermarket very sparse yesterday. Rather worrying!

mobile.twitter.com/getnorthern/status/1426299227848724480

DGRossetti · 15/08/2021 09:44

[quote HesterThrale]Depressing thread about shop shortages from a logistics worker.
I don’t know why supermarkets are dressing it as ‘high demand’; why can’t they be honest and say ‘low supply’?
Wine and beer shelves in my supermarket very sparse yesterday. Rather worrying!

mobile.twitter.com/getnorthern/status/1426299227848724480[/quote]
It's all very 1970s USSR isn't it ? And set to stay. Can't be doing much for carbon emissions, all those people having to drive around and around to source their shopping.

I wonder if we end up doing "the full 70s" as I heard it described recently. When a neighbours (British) car was off the road for nearly 3 months because the part it needed wasn't available. In those days of course it was strikes ...

Anyone else feeling faintly nostalgic now ? Especially with the nights drawing in, I can remember getting home and lighting the candles. It's weirdly comforting. I guess age does that to your childhood Grin

DGRossetti · 15/08/2021 10:14

Just pop this in here ...

Westminstenders: Tachographs and Empty Shelves
Peregrina · 15/08/2021 17:53

I wonder if the utter catastrophe which is now happening in Afghanistan will help to destroy Johnson? (We can but live in hope! But then we need to be careful what we wish for.)

DGRossetti · 15/08/2021 18:26

@Peregrina

I wonder if the utter catastrophe which is now happening in Afghanistan will help to destroy Johnson? (We can but live in hope! But then we need to be careful what we wish for.)
We already know the UKs security has been damaged by Brexit. And if we didn't Al Qaeda certainly did.

And whether or not they try to smuggle insurgents and terrorists in amongst the refugees the Taliban are obligingly creating, the opportunity for some serious civil unrest in the UK cannot have escaped their attention either.

As BTO might have sung ... You ain't seen nothing yet ...

FatCatThinCat · 15/08/2021 19:43

"Thank you so much for the speedy approval of the vaccine and the lives that has saved. Now do be a good chap and fuck off, here's your P45 as we can't afford you anymore."

New shiney post brexit MHRA set to cut 25% of staff in cost saving exercise.

twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1426461131716038656

jasjas1973 · 15/08/2021 20:51

@Peregrina

I wonder if the utter catastrophe which is now happening in Afghanistan will help to destroy Johnson? (We can but live in hope! But then we need to be careful what we wish for.)
The british public don't care about the peoples of Afghan, well, not until there is a terrorist attack in the UK or 1000s cross the channel.... but he will (as he is already doing) say that we bought 20 years of peace to the place and hence to the UK..... and watch his popularity rise once again.
DrBlackbird · 15/08/2021 23:31

So… apparently the biggest fault line in British politics is… left wing snobbery. Not corruption or incompetence or intolerance or the democratic institutions being gradually undermined or the systemic erosion and underfunding of the NHS or the hostile environment still trying to deport people who’ve been here their whole lives…

No, we’ve got that all wrong. It’s snobbery..

And this is the kind of sharp analytical analysis that’s going to help the UK level up? Confused

dontcallmelen · 16/08/2021 10:23

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HappyWinter · 16/08/2021 21:10

It's all very 1970s USSR isn't it ?

Currently watching Deutschland '89 with DH, we were joking about our supermarkets looking like theirs, didn't think it could happen.

Very depressing situation in Afghanistan. I can't believe Boris and Raab ignored the warnings from UK military leaders...and went on holiday.

Afghanistan crisis: Johnson took holiday as Kabul was about to fall

jasjas1973 · 16/08/2021 22:40

Watch as Raab and Johnson subtly blame the Americans, aided by the tory media.
SUN headline tomo "Joke Biden"

Peregrina · 16/08/2021 23:15

I will predict that Raab has absolutely no idea where Afghanistan is.

DGRossetti · 17/08/2021 07:46

@jasjas1973

Watch as Raab and Johnson subtly blame the Americans, aided by the tory media. SUN headline tomo "Joke Biden"
Subtly ?

The guy on R4 last week (Ben Wallace I think) was unequivocal. But also realistic. Without US support, there is no "International effort".

Isn't that what the Russians call RealPolitik ?

DGRossetti · 17/08/2021 07:58

Also, remember Boris lives 14 minutes in the future ...

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/boris-johnsons-watch-14-minutes-fast-during-minutes-silence-for-plymouth-victims-286206/

jasjas1973 · 17/08/2021 08:29

[quote DGRossetti]Also, remember Boris lives 14 minutes in the future ...

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/boris-johnsons-watch-14-minutes-fast-during-minutes-silence-for-plymouth-victims-286206/[/quote]
Again he wont be criticised for this, just as Raab will get away with saying "none of this was predictable and if if it had been, we would have taken action" (in regard to Afghanistan)

apparently the EU told the US this would happen.....

DrBlackbird · 17/08/2021 09:31

I know that this is now long dead history… but it did strike me how the Garrick club requires two-thirds majority to change the rules on admitting female members, whilst changing the economic course of an entire nation on a non-binding vote, 50.1% was fiinnne.

In 2015, 50.5% of Garrick members voted in favour of admitting women, but this fell short of the two-thirds majority required. Three former Conservative MPs and 11 QCs were among those who said they would vote to continue to exclude female members

This is the news in the UK whilst the women and girls in Afghanistan see their freedoms to live and to fully participate in society gone in a matter of days.

Peregrina · 17/08/2021 10:15

The guy on R4 last week (Ben Wallace I think) was unequivocal. But also realistic. Without US support, there is no "International effort".

It's basically true. Cast your mind back to the late 90s, when the USSR had collapsed and the USA, as ever, spoiling for a fight, was running round in search of an enemy. Bingo, this appalling atrocity, which we will assume they did not for see, came along. Although it was perpetrated by Saudis, they were a renegade bunch with Bin Laden holed up on the Afghan/Pakistan border. What a gift - a nice quick war and home in time for Christmas. The UK, still trying to prove it had an Empire and/or Special Relationship of course went running in behind them.

Perhaps I am just too cynical.

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