Westminstenders: Put Your Faith In The Home Office

[pointythings]

Because there doesn't seem to be a new thread yet. I'm no RTB or any of you other experts, but these threads need to keep going.

Give me a couple weeks and I'll be able to post cat placemarks!

Pointy, I stand by my posts and my values. If you disagree with them then of course you are free to say so as you have. But that is different from a personal attack.

I have said, repeatedly for 5 years that the most important aspect of Brexit for me is getting rid of the ECJ

Remind me again - which particular non-trade remits of the ECJ was the UK subject to? The Dublin protocol perhaps, that allowed us to send illegals back to their EU point of entry?

To be fair, it's very important to validate the worldview of Our Grate Brexitannian BeLeaving Winners: they need to simultaneously bestride the globe accepting awestruck tribute from grateful foreign-types, and be the most oppressed and downbeat victims of shady elite traitors. Since the first part is being easily taken care of by means of our Marvellous™ Trade Deals With Far Away What Are Grater Than Trading Nearby, it is the duty of UnBeLeavers on this thread to carry out the second part.

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@yellowspanner

Pointy, I have never said that the most important thing about Brexit is that we can deport people. I have said, repeatedly for 5 years that the most important aspect of Brexit for me is getting rid of the ECJ. I have also said that I like the points based immigration system and our ability to deport people who are here illegally. The ECJ was what swung it for me.

You'll have humour me!

I'm all for sovereignty, after all we fought through the ages to retain our freedoms.

But unless i ve missed something, you are against the ECJ because they can override UK courts/Parliament - yes?

But the UK passed in law for that to happen and the UK sent judges to be on it.

We may build a Royal yacht, but because of WTO rules (because we signed something with out reading the small print - a BJ habit) that yacht might not be built in the UK as it will need to go to international tender.

Should the UK govt ignore this, the WTO will over rule it... i just struggle to see the differences?

You are perfectly happy to give up sovereignty to the wTO

We may build a Royal yacht, but because of WTO rules (because we signed something with out reading the small print - a BJ habit) that yacht might not be built in the UK as it will need to go to international tender.

Yet other countries did read the small print and chose specifically to exclude shipbuilding for civilian purposes from the obligation for the government to put it out to competitive tender.

Hence BJ trying to wriggle his way around the rules that he chose to sign up to by proposing that the new "royal" yacht come under the aegis of the MOD, despite it having zero military capability and its purpose being to promote trade around the world

I suppose it could be a not very secret spy ship

Do you need to bring your own magnifying glass?

www.gov.uk/government/news/search-for-head-of-the-new-brexit-opportunities-unit-begins

I think you are protesting too much yellowspanner - you were quite happy to tell me to stop being racist. Not that you thought that my remarks sounded racist to you.

I didn't report you, perhaps I should have done. I did comment that such remarks are rich coming from Brexiters, given that a large part of the Brexit vote was anti-immigration, which is extremely hard to deny, given that Farage was one of the leading lights of the campaigns. At which point, the Brexiters rush in and say that they didn't support Farage - to which the answer is lie down with dogs and you get fleas.

The Mirror is reporting Cummings dishing the dirt on Hancock.

My own observations are that I think Hancock is hopelessly out of his depth, but ultimately the responsibility lies with the Prime Minister.

I also recall that about a year ago MPs including the PM couldn't make enough excuses for Cummings.

[quote Jason118]Do you need to bring your own magnifying glass?

www.gov.uk/government/news/search-for-head-of-the-new-brexit-opportunities-unit-begins[/quote]
Well, the ever brilliant Irritable Duncan Syndrome has decided that we can get rid of GDPR (2018), and go back to the £.s.d....

At which point I make my oft-repeated boast that I once made a Y8 class cry by setting them sums to do using £.s.d. - Mr Scrooge’s Christmas Sums. It was designed to be a fun lesson.

Well, the ever brilliant Irritable Duncan Syndrome has decided that we can get rid of GDPR (2018), and go back to the £.s.d....

Because changing all your coinage and notes is such an easy and cheap thing to do, and it isn't as if we have any other pressing priorities.

And say no one, absolutely no one, would thank anyone for making them go back to Imperial measures or £.s.d.
I’ve more recently upset people with the notion of fluid ounces.

I find myself wishing that those old fossils would die off, then I realise that people like IDS are younger than me.

Building a new not royal yacht is not a priority, but Johnson wants to do it. Painting aircraft with the Union jack wasn't a real priority either, but he chose to do that too.

But of course they would be dead already if they were fossils, so dinosaurs might be a better name for them.

@Peregrina

But of course they would be dead already if they were fossils, so dinosaurs might be a better name for them.

Dinosaurs aren’t dead?!!

Technically you could argue that crocodiles are dinosaurs, so not entirely. Also Nessie and possibly the coelacanth.

Frankie, recently the ECJ ruled in a case that was brought to it before we left the EU. The case of the shop floor workers. Whatever the rights or wrongs of the case it should have been dealt with by UK courts only. It had nothing to do with trade

Peregrina, you can't lump all Brexiteers together and say they voted because of immigration. Some may have done but it is a hopeless generalisation. I voted for leave because of the ECJ as I have said on these threads since they started.

I hope wewere continues to contribute to this thread.

Ignoring the 🐿 would be one suggestion other than I find everyone's corrections to be highly informative for me.

Chris Grey has written about this strange paradox of Brexiteers having won just about everything from the Brexit referendum to Johnson's massive majority (enabling him to even ignore the senior Tories rebellion re foreign aid cuts) to this completely predictable FTA with Australia expect more of the same from a FTA with India as Westminster is hopelessly out of its depth...and yet still we see the Brexiteer victim mentality. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Workers rights has everything to do with trade.

Completely free trade/free movement (as we had with the EU) depends on the infamous level playing field. If one country can pay workers less than others in the same trade area it has an unfair advantage.

I love the idea that the rights of shop floor workers, and how they are paid, and the impact this has on what we pay for the goods we buy...

... has nothing to do with trade. Honestly, you couldn't make it up.

@yellowspanner

Frankie, recently the ECJ ruled in a case that was brought to it before we left the EU. The case of the shop floor workers. Whatever the rights or wrongs of the case it should have been dealt with by UK courts only. It had nothing to do with trade

It has absolutely everything to do with trade in a single market with one of the four freedoms being the free movement of labour. It’s already been flagged up that the Australian trade deal will make it easier for UK citizens to work there. Hopefully there will be some sort of legal protection from a regulatory body to prevent exploitation (on either side).

Nowhere did I say that all Brexiters were anti immigration, but it is disingenuous to pretend that this didn't inform the decision of many voters.

We see this time and time again on the Westministenders threads - sooner or later a Brexiter will pop up with an anti-immigrant post.

It’s already been flagged up that the Australian trade deal will make it easier for UK citizens to work there.

I actually laughed when I saw this - Australia is already an attractive destination for many youngish doctors, nurses and midwives. So they want to encourage more of them?

Thinking about it, I shouldn't have laughed, because if our NHS is even more short staffed, that will give the Tories the excuse to scrap it, or make it a service offering only the bare minimum.

I am saddened to see how casually rights and benefits that previous generations worked hard to bring about, for the benefit of the whole of society, are being so casually thrown away.

Peregrina, I didn't say that immigration did not influence some voters to vote leave. It may well have done, I have no way of knowing but I accept that it is likely to be the case for SOME. But you can't lump them all together and it certainly did not influence my vote. The ECJ did and I don't accept that the equal pay issue is about trade.