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Westminstenders: The New Era

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RedToothBrush · 16/05/2021 16:38

Scotland.
The GFA.
Its not Brexit Honest.
Levelling Up Shitholes caused by Tory austerity.
Babymilk Shortages
Cronyism

But we did good with covid jabs.

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DrBlackbird · 21/05/2021 08:57

There's a common thread running through these MP's criticism and attacks in that anything 'political' is seen as ripe for attack.

Those doing the attacking are a group of Tory MPs calling themselves the Conservative Common Sense Group who seemingly wish to pull funding from groups that criticise the government.

Is it a case of:
Publicly funded equality think tank = bad
Publicly funded Firm with links to government ministers = good

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/29/threats-sent-to-race-equality-group-after-criticism-by-tory-mps

TheElementsSong · 21/05/2021 10:24

attacks in that anything 'political' is seen as ripe for attack.

Hmm, where have I seen that before? And, of course, not really meaning "political" Hmm

Clavinova · 21/05/2021 11:13

There's a common thread running through these MP's criticism and attacks in that anything 'political' is seen as ripe for attack.

I'm not surprised Tory MPs have complained;

The Times -
Runnymede Trust boss Halima Begum accused of using it to play politics.

The director of a charity that called for the government to retract the Sewell race report has branded Boris Johnson an “entitled Bullingdon Club brat”.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/runnymede-trust-boss-halima-begum-accused-of-using-it-to-play-politics-mg8327jx7

The Times article is mostly behind a paywall. Wikipedia:

Begum is a member of the Labour Party. She unsuccessfully stood as a prospective parliamentary candidate for Labour in Poplar and Limehouse in the 2019 general election, and campaigned for Labour at the general election.

HannibalHayeski · 21/05/2021 11:28

Oh no! She's a member of the Labour party! How very dare she have an opinion of the government!

pointythings · 21/05/2021 11:33

@HannibalHayeski

Oh no! She's a member of the Labour party! How very dare she have an opinion of the government!
Grin

Yes, of course. Only someone with a political opinion could possible have anything negative to say about the government's utter whitewash report on race relations.

DoubleTweenQueen · 21/05/2021 11:39

So, opposing opinion and criticism is due only to opposing political stance, and not due to any genuine evidence or basis in fact/truth.
Pretty much sums up the last six years and counting.

Peregrina · 21/05/2021 11:52

Johnson was a Bullingdon Club member and their behaviour was worse than that of spoilt brats so it seems a fair description

Peregrina · 21/05/2021 11:55

But I am not surprised that the current crop of Tory MPs have complained- they wont be happy until they have a full dictatorship.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 21/05/2021 12:05

@Peregrina

But I am not surprised that the current crop of Tory MPs have complained- they wont be happy until they have a full dictatorship.
And I'm sure those that voted for this corrupt bunch will be happy with that expecting them to work in their favour, cant fix stupid though
prettybird · 21/05/2021 12:09

We're getting perilously close to political affiliations becoming the equivalent of thoughtcrime and wrongthink and as such being used to discredit all those who challenge the orthodoxy of the Government. Sad

Remember the father who challenged BJ about the lack of care his ds was getting. That was discounted because he was a Labour activist Hmm .....which apparently means that he is not allowed to be concerned about his ds Confused

Clavinova · 21/05/2021 12:22

FrankieStein402
Whether or not any decision was linked to Brexit - Brexit was supposed to make Britain a better place for 'global business' - why would any company in their right mind move work out of 'Global Britain', surely they ought to be moving work here.

Your answer is here surely (2018);

inews.co.uk/news/business/gkn-hostile-takeover-how-vultures-swooped-140134

A global pandemic and a further decline in petrol and diesel car sales have hardly helped, not to mention the global chip shortage also affecting motor manufacturing.

The work is moving to other sites - they just happen not to be the UK ones..."A letter from GKN Automotive CEO Liam Butterworth, seen by Birmingham Live, states:"
The proposal is to transfer production to other sites in our network."

The next line in your link refers to other network sites in the UK;

He said the announcement would not affect other GKN Automotive facilities in the UK, including a site in Minworth, Sutton Coldfield, offices in Birmingham, London and Uxbridge and an advanced engineering centre in Abingdon, Oxfordshire.

  • although; "the potential of British workers seeing their jobs move abroad to one of GKN's many continental plants" is mentioned later.

And if you're arguing that the piece doesn't say the work is going to Europe this is the committee hearing you cite:
at 12:05:30 he is asked whether the work will continue and he says the work will go to Brunec in Italy.

Which is odd because the Guardian article I linked to yesterday also cites the same committee hearing - claiming that Poland and France will benefit (not Italy) - with local [UK] plants involved as well;

Poland and France will benefit from the planned closure of GKN’s factory in Birmingham, with local plants taking on work currently carried out by 500 of the group’s UK employees, under plans being considered by its owner, Melrose. ...

The plant produces drivetrain components for petrol and diesel cars.

And;
Simon Peckham, the chief executive of the FTSE 100 company, apologised for the difficulties faced by workers in Birmingham, but did not respond directly three times when asked if work would move to the EU, at a hearing with MPs on the business select committee on Tuesday.

In fact, the Guardian claim to have inside knowledge of the plans;

The plans, which are subject to mandatory consultations with employees, could lead to about four-fifths of Birmingham’s work being moved to a plant in Oleśnica, south-west Poland. The rest of the work could move to locations in France, people with knowledge of the plans told the Guardian.

I haven't got the time or the inclination to investigate the discrepancy (your link) - needless to say I hope the Guardian journalist was not asleep on the job and made something up.

mrslaughan · 21/05/2021 13:07

Well this seems an appropriate tweet to share......

Westminstenders: The New Era
HannibalHayeski · 21/05/2021 13:08

Ah, but what are the political affiliations of all the people you quote there?

Surely they can be entirely discounted should they happen to show any at all?

pointythings · 21/05/2021 13:15

@HannibalHayeski

Ah, but what are the political affiliations of all the people you quote there?

Surely they can be entirely discounted should they happen to show any at all?

Of course not. They're the right political affiliations, don't you know?
thecatsatonthewall · 21/05/2021 13:47

Quite scary what Clavinova is defending.

Just been listening to Bojo telling us we have nothing to fear from a Aussie FTA, that free trade, together with our navy, made Britain prosper in the past and we can again!

Different world Boris, different world... what on earth is going on in his head?

mrslaughan · 21/05/2021 13:56

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thecatsatonthewall · 21/05/2021 14:11

I understand now why he sent navy boats to the channel islands recently, all makes sense, well in BJ's head it does.

Scary, this guy could start another war.

DoubleTweenQueen · 21/05/2021 14:43

R4 Today program this morning, from 2hrs34 to 2hrs42.
Lord Maryland, from 2hrs38. The war, the Commonwealth, allies, gold-plating of our farming standards a burden to our excellent farmers.
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000w5v7

DoubleTweenQueen · 21/05/2021 14:44

Marland, not* Maryland

Clavinova · 21/05/2021 16:15

Just been listening to Bojo telling us we have nothing to fear from a Aussie FTA

the destruction it will cause to farming is being pushed down the road (from what I am reading on international trade Twitter)

Peter Mandelson - Labour Peer and former EU Commissioner for Trade laughed at the idea that an FTA with Australia would destroy British farming and food standards (he appeared on BBC Newscast last night). He explained that exaggeration and hyperbole surrounded every international trade deal involving agriculture - and in the end both sides agree a sensible deal carefully controlled by quotas.

mrslaughan · 21/05/2021 16:29

Sorry - couldn't listen to Marland- when he started talking about closest allies ..... the UK ditched Australia and NZ when it suited them. It's all part of the Brexit delusion that harking back to the war and the Empire.

I was shocked to learn that many farms only have 20-40 head of cattle. I knew they were small - but didn't realise they were that small. Putting aside growth hormones - British farmers will never be able to compete with Australian farmers with the massive stations and huge feedlots. Those come at an environmental cost. For British farmers to even start to think about competing they will have to put aside concerns for the environment. In NZ it is a huge issue and a constant tension - and something they are trying to address. In NZ its about diary farmers - a powerful lobby who are massive polluters. But you are talking the same animals- so same environmental issues. Britain is ahead of the game environmental- but I think it would push us backwards.
And if consolidation in the farming industry makes it worse. Because you start getting corporates involved - who care neither about animal husbandry or environmental factors - it's just all about money. You would also then have the likes of Dyson phoning Johnson to implement environmental laws that favour him.....

mrslaughan · 21/05/2021 16:32

So what happens to the land?

As a country we become more Dependent on others for food/food security decreases

Westminstenders: The New Era
prettybird · 21/05/2021 16:34

@mrslaughan On a completely unrelated topic.... anybody heard from LQ?

I'm in touch with her. She was blocked because of some (non-Brexit related) posts and won't be back Sad She's well though - and enjoying her extra free time Wink

prettybird · 21/05/2021 16:36

@mrslaughan

So what happens to the land?

As a country we become more Dependent on others for food/food security decreases

Meanwhile, the Scottish and Welsh sheep farmers, who had niche markets selling their premium product into the EU, are fucked Sad
HannibalHayeski · 21/05/2021 16:37

C&p - do you still not read your own quotes?

See the bit and in the end both sides agree a sensible deal carefully controlled by quotas.

This is Liz Truss and de Piffle we're talking about. There isn't a "sensible" brain cell between the pair of them...

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