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Westminstenders: The New Era

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RedToothBrush · 16/05/2021 16:38

Scotland.
The GFA.
Its not Brexit Honest.
Levelling Up Shitholes caused by Tory austerity.
Babymilk Shortages
Cronyism

But we did good with covid jabs.

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borntobequiet · 20/05/2021 09:32

Farming Today on a potential Australian trade deal. With quotes from ministers...

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000w34m

HannibalHayeski · 20/05/2021 12:49

More winning.

Leave voting Erdington confirms closure of plant with 500+ jobs moving to the EU...

HannibalHayeski · 20/05/2021 12:59

(I'm sure there'll be a c&p along shortly informing us of 2 new jobs at an ice cream shop or something)

DoubleTweenQueen · 20/05/2021 13:27

@borntobequiet Thanks for the link.

Rebecca Pow was on Woman's Hour, and I know it's not strictly her brief, but she said the following:

Trade deal with Aus won't include meaningful agri trade, as Aus sells mostly to local Asia -pacific countries, although Aus would likely be interested in buying our high welfare/high quality meat!

UK farming high quality which will be supported, particularly through buying local/British - we have great labelling to facilitate consumer choice.

So, not much of a clue about economics in the real world, or that direct sale to the public is a small percentage of meat sales - the majority of which goes to processing and catering sectors, through which provenance is lost.

The thing that I don't understand - and I'm willing for it to be my lack of knowledge of the area that causes my confusion - but we had 45% of trade with the rest of the world while part of the EU. Those trade deals were as part of an enormous trading block, and while we might not have got exactly the terms that suited us via that route, we enjoyed the greater leverage we were afforded by being a key member of that block. How do we expect to get the terms we want and need, now we're out of that block, with less leverage?
Surely we are more exposed to having to accept a worse compromise.
Brexit does not make sense to me, on so many levels.

dontcallmelen · 20/05/2021 13:31

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HannibalHayeski · 20/05/2021 13:46

But Queen, don't you know that they need us more than we need them?

DoubleTweenQueen · 20/05/2021 14:08

It's all wishful thinking and bullshit.

DoubleTweenQueen · 20/05/2021 14:09

Pardon me

Clavinova · 20/05/2021 17:08

Leave voting Erdington confirms closure of plant with 500+ jobs moving to the EU...

Are we blaming Brexit though? GKN were bought by an 'asset stripping' venture capital group in 2018 - after a hostile takeover bid;

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2018/mar/30/martin-rowson-on-the-gkn-takeover-cartoon

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43569399

(I'm sure there'll be a c&p along shortly informing us of 2 new jobs at an ice cream shop or something)

One or two perhaps;

www.mtdmfg.com/news/uk-small-modular-reactor-consortium-led-by-rolls-royce-set-to-create-40000-jobs/

www.mtdmfg.com/news/

Clavinova · 20/05/2021 17:15

Still a place for Latin, it seems. I wonder how less derailed these threads would be if they weren't in English?

I studied Latin for two years at school if that helps (grammar school, not private). Amused by the link - Latin jokes about Brussels;

One civil servant told researchers how senior staff would sometimes break into Latin.

"I know that is a bit of a stereotype, but it is so real," Kristine says.

"You'll be in a ministerial meeting and they'll sort of talk in Latin, but they're making what you'll realise later is a sort of joke about Brussels that everyone sort of understands, and laughs." Grin

HarrietPierce · 20/05/2021 17:16

"www.mtdmfg.com/news/uk-small-modular-reactor-consortium-led-by-rolls-royce-set-to-create-40000-jobs/"

Maybe-- by 2050.

Clavinova · 20/05/2021 17:36

mathanxiety
Wrt to @ Clavinova's gloom and doom comment and quote on Irish beef upthread...

Not my "gloom and doom" - I added a cheery bit. Doom and gloom about CETA as well;

CETA deal is ‘a devastating blow to Irish agriculture’.

www.agriland.ie/farming-news/ceta-deal-is-a-devastating-blow-to-irish-agriculture/

I did notice this from DuncinToffee's Dmitry Grozoubinski link;

"11/ Almost everything you hear about trade's impacts on farmer livelihoods is hyperbolic or abstract..."

Also, fyi Clavinova the EU-Mercosur trade agreement has not been ratified and remains an agreement in principle only. This is because individual members have a say in what the big, bad EU does.

Yes, I know - that's why I posted "agreement in principal."

Clavinova · 20/05/2021 17:41

The Times today -

Elon Musk flew into Luton on his private jet last weekend, fuelling speculation that he is considering opening a Tesla factory in the UK.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/elon-musks-flying-visit-fuels-rumours-of-tesla-factory-3sn7cgrpr

borntobequiet · 20/05/2021 18:24

Julius Caesar was quite complimentary about the Belgians, as far as I remember from the excerpts from de Bello Gallico that I had to rote learn for O level.

FrankieStein402 · 20/05/2021 19:38

Are we blaming Brexit though? GKN were bought by an 'asset stripping' venture capital group in 2018 - after a hostile takeover bid

The 'work' is moving to their other European sites - wonder why that is seen as the best location in 'an increasingly competitive global market'. Shouldn't work from those sites be moving to the "Global Britain" that Brexit has given us?

Clavinova · 20/05/2021 20:11

The 'work' is moving to their other European sites.

Simon Peckham, the chief executive of the FTSE 100 company, apologised for the difficulties faced by workers in Birmingham, but did not respond directly three times when asked if work would move to the EU, at a hearing with MPs on the business select committee...

However, Peckham said the decision to close the factory was not linked to Brexit. He said it had lost £100m over a decade of consecutive losses.

Shrinking demand from its UK car making customers meant the factory had lost a quarter of its work. Another 40% was under threat in the move to electric cars, he said. ...

Jack Dromey, the Labour MP for the Erdington constituency where the plant is located, said: “...it is the sad truth that the company intends to export British jobs to Europe.” ...

A Melrose spokesperson said: “No matter how often these unfounded allegations are trotted out by Mr Dromey, it doesn’t make them true.”

www.theguardian.com/business/2021/feb/25/melrose-plans-close-gkn-factory-birmingham

Car parts factory here - let's hope the Erdington workers don't get any funny ideas from France;

28 April 2021
Workers trying to block the sale of a Renault car parts factory held seven managers against their will for 12 hours in the latest “bossnapping” to hit French industry.

www.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/28/french-renault-workers-take-managers-captive-in-attempt-to-stop-factory-sale

MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes · 20/05/2021 20:34

@HannibalHayeski

But Queen, don't you know that they need us more than we need them?
Grin that’s my reaction to people thinking along the lines reported by Queen there too.

Bottom line: we are not self-sufficient in food and it needs to come from somewhere. There wouldn’t be negotiations about agriculture if they weren’t needed. Britain’s acting like a rebellious teenage drama queen to parent EU with added typically British soothing propagandist tripe.

wewereliars · 20/05/2021 20:43

Yes MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes. With bells on!

FrankieStein402 · 20/05/2021 21:27

The work is moving to other sites - they just happen not to be the UK ones.

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/519-jobs-risk-gkn-automotive-19719993

"A letter from GKN Automotive CEO Liam Butterworth, seen by Birmingham Live, states:"
...
...
"We expect this proposal to impact 519 employees. The proposal envisages that GKN Automotive will carefully wind down the site over 18 months to ensure an orderly and stable transition of operations and give those affected time to find new work. The proposal is to transfer production to other sites in our network."

Whether or not any decision was linked to Brexit - Brexit was supposed to make Britain a better place for 'global business' - why would any company in their right mind move work out of 'Global Britain', surely they ought to be moving work here.

prettybird · 20/05/2021 21:36

Don't "they" know who "we" are? Wink

FrankieStein402 · 20/05/2021 21:50

And if you're arguing that the piece doesnt say the work is going to Europe this is the committee hearing you cite:

parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/e24a68fc-6a19-4f0b-bc28-b755e0a9a533

at 12:05:30 he is asked whether the work will continue and he says the work will go to Brunec in Italy.

(Unite claim he also misled parliament by saying Erdington was not a manufacturing site.)

Peregrina · 21/05/2021 06:18

FrankieStein put that so well. If Brexit is so wonderful for trade why aren't foreign firms citing the new opportunities Brexit is bringing? The only Brexit bonuses we see are potential deals to introduce food of lower standard, but the likes of Rees-Mogg and co won't see that served up in the Parliamentary dining rooms. None but the best organically reared, grass fed etc. will be good enough for them!

pointythings · 21/05/2021 07:52

Meanwhile the Home Office is still doing its usual brilliant job... Hmm

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/21/uk-like-an-enemy-state-to-eu-nationals-detained-by-border-force

100% trust them to get it right, why wouldn't you?

DrBlackbird · 21/05/2021 08:44

The next step in an authoritarian government would include rising interference in academic discourse and debate i.e. choosing what can and cannot be discussed or researched at a university...

From Culture Secretary Dowden on calling for blocking funding for what he sees as unacceptable research (on links to slavery) to MP Gullis naming specific academics and calling for them to be 'sacked' at a parliament Education committee...

No doubt will be seen as a 'good thing' by those insisting that we stop talking down England/our esteemed government. However, others such as the Royal Historian Society would disagree.

royalhistsoc.org/rhs-asks-government-to-clarify-its-position-on-historical-research/