Is it time to move on positively after Brexit?

[TheReluctantPhoenix]

The following article appeared in the Times today (hopefully the share token has worked properly)::

The pain of Brexit isn’t as bad as I’d feared

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-pain-of-brexit-isnt-as-bad-as-id-feared-9n58bgcs5

This is written by the Britain editor of the Economist, one of the most ardent pro EU journals.

In it, inter alia, Emma Duncan admits that a mere 7,600 financial service jobs have moved from London to another European capital because of Brexit and that the BOE is now forecasting a post COVID bounce back of 7.25% to our GDP.

Of course, the article has many caveats about what might yet happen, but also some explanation as to why the U.K. might be far more resilient than she (and most ardent remainers) feared.

The latest poll I have seen is showing that the country is still divided.
It seems that even more people thinks it’s a shamble.

I do think we need to move on and accept the situation as it is now.
That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t campain To rejoin for those who want that.
But that we have no choice than to make the best out of it.

We wouldn't need to be told to move on and 'accept change' if the benefits were obvious to all would we?!?

Brexit has not stopped and it is not 'over with'. The 'benefits' have not hit us all yet. The changes that are all so beneficial have not all happened yet. I will not forget that it has happened, I will not forget the manner in which it was pushed on people and I will not pretend that everything is coming up roses. Which I think is what is mean when people want us all to 'move on'. I will remember it every single time we have to suck up to foreign powers such as India and every single time it becomes obvious how powerless the British people now are in a hostile world.

'issues which tore one generation apart ceased to matter for the next generation'
I don't agree with that either. I was a child in the time of the Miner's Strikes and saw that way of life torn to shreds. Entire towns have never recovered. I then lived through the making of the WWW and have watched ever since as it has torn through existing economic structures. I have also lived through excessive globalisation and population growth and seen the impact of that. I have lived through a steady deterioration of quality of life and opportunities for most.

Impact of changes do not go away. They may be forgotten, that's all, by those whose access to knowledge of past ways of life are taken away, and by those who benefit. Some of us, especially those who are disadvantaged, choose to remember and will pass on what we can.

'issues which tore one generation apart ceased to matter for the next generation'

I don't agree with that either.

Well, this was my observation as a 20th century student studying the 17th. The passage of time lent a different perspective, I would imagine.

Ah. The passage of 300 years' time is slightly different to the 3 generations I was thinking of. Of course 300 years ago life was lived very differently here, we have been having one economic revolution after another ever since, with no end to instability in sight. 300 years into the future is a very very long time in which to hope to see some benefits of Brexit - polities have changed shape substantially since then too.

I am still massively pissed off that so many lies were told to secure the Brexit vote and sad that we have left with such a hard Brexit. I despair of the nationalism and anti EU sentiment on display from my fellow country folk. Embarrassed beyond belief by our PM and the rest of his rotten cabinet and befuddled that many people think so well of them. Outwardly I have moved on but inwardly I find it hard not to judge such people with distain. I used to be patriotic but now find this uncomfortable due to the nationalism I see. I will however be supporting England this evening.

I voted Leave and would so again without any hesitation. I didn't vote because of lies...like George Osborne saying he would need an immediate emergency budget, house prices would collapse etc. I voted Leave because I wanted to be away from the ECJ and the rest of the over inflated "ever closer union".
I voted for Conservative and think the Government are doing well.

If Cameron hadn't immediately done a runner, who is to say that Osborne wouldn't have brought in an emergency budget?

Did you think Hancock was doing well, yellowspanner? Is blatantly flouting the rules you have made a sign of 'doing well' in your book?

It's time to put all the division behind us and move on. The vote was 5 years ago.

How does the belligerence we still see from Johnson and Frost put the division behind us and move on? Do tell. Maybe when we see the PM begin to behave responsibly we can make a start.

I would refer you to this clip of Johnson meeting Merkel
twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1410965901487362054. From that one would think that the NI Protocol didn't have Boris Johnson's signature on it. When he begins to move on from such silly childish 'jokes' at the end, then perhaps the rest can.

NI's problems will not be solved by pretending that they don't exist. The GFA took a considerable amount of work to bring into being, and the same amount of work or more needs to be done now.

"It's time to put all the division behind us and move on. The vote was 5 years ago."

What I have put behind me is the last vestiges of sympathy for anyone who voted Leave. I vote based on what is personally good for me. That's what Brexit has taught me.

I intend to put it all behind me and "move on positively" exactly as much as the Brexiteers would have done had they lost the referendum by the same margin.

@TheReluctantPhoenix

The following article appeared in the Times today (hopefully the share token has worked properly)::

The pain of Brexit isn’t as bad as I’d feared

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-pain-of-brexit-isnt-as-bad-as-id-feared-9n58bgcs5

This is written by the Britain editor of the Economist, one of the most ardent pro EU journals.

In it, inter alia, Emma Duncan admits that a mere 7,600 financial service jobs have moved from London to another European capital because of Brexit and that the BOE is now forecasting a post COVID bounce back of 7.25% to our GDP.

Of course, the article has many caveats about what might yet happen, but also some explanation as to why the U.K. might be far more resilient than she (and most ardent remainers) feared.

OP are you fine with the £47 billion divorce bill? Because £47 billion is rather alarming to me.

The Brexig is still not done, our useless Brexit ministef cannot sort out NI protocol that he negotiated and BoJo signed without reading.
Plus copy and paste FTAs where UK just copied and pasted clauses from EU FTA and thus accepted EU rules - you cannot make it up 🤤
Plus Dominic Cummings is in the news again.

Still feeling positive?

But you knew what you were voting for , so all is good

Many of us have had no choice but to "move on" by taking nationality in the European countries we live and work in and those of us with dual nationalities who live in Europe aren't suffering too badly.

I doubt I will be able to move on in my heart though. Brexit hasn't made anything better! What on earth has it helped? It's about to make things a lot more expensive and difficult for my family in the UK. Our company will not be ordering anything at all from the UK now as the customs and vat charges are too costly. We have switched to European suppliers. The UK has lost a shed load of business from potential customers all over Europe.

And I can't forgive those with a misguided sense of UK exceptionalism who have cut us off legally, practically and emotionally from our friends in Europe. For what purpose? What are the upsides? Seriously?

The article is behind a paywall btw.

Moved on? Every day there is something in the news about the negative impact on our economy and daily lives. Today, there was no bread in my big Tesco. Literally. None out the back. Because of lorry driver shortages affecting delivery.

Why are you trying to minimise it?

Absolutely not!!! There is nothing positive about brexit!

I blame Brexit for everything & will continue to do so until I see things improve

Er, no, not really feeling the positive vibe here, Brexit is shite, it was a stupid idea.

The best way to describe it IMO is Britain is the first country to impose sanctions on itself (sorry can't remember who to quote).

Loving the idea that the post-covid GDP rise is somehow a sign that brexit wasn't that bad - we would be starting from a hgher base and bouncing back more robustly without Brexit. We are economically worse off than we would have been if Brexit hadn't happened. Each family is poorer.

*Moved on? Every day there is something in the news about the negative impact on our economy and daily lives. Today, there was no bread in my big Tesco. Literally. None out the back. Because of lorry driver shortages affecting delivery.

Why are you trying to minimise it*

Why to move on? Because there is nothing you can do about it anymore. It's done. It's over.

Move on to take your government accountable for their actions now. Put your efforts there. Looking at the past when you can't change anything is pointless.

Well this has aged well - to all the cheerleaders is this what you voted for ?

Well yes, you did and then you doubled down with Boris. This Boris the one totally unfit to manage a tuck shop. But hey "Jeremy Corbyn" - a mea culpa would be nice and a good place to start a move on from.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain

There is nothing positive about life post Brexit. The most depressing thing, however, is that people continue to support Johnson. I have no idea why.