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Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.

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RedToothBrush · 25/04/2021 13:37

The Brexit Agreement is still not signed. The EU are still pissed off with our bad attitude and how we managed to a have better deal on AstraZeneca's vaccines which they don't seem to like anyway.

The Ireland / NI border is still a mess. Both politically and economically. This is apparently something that wasn't discussed pre referedum, with regular Westminstenders suffering from collective delusions over remembering differently and reading madeup stories which just happen to be dated prior to the referendum. Its a sign of how good fake news has got.

The lying architect of Vote Leave is complaining about the lying of Vote Leave's biggest champion and cheerleader, countered with the pm who cheated on his ex wife multiple times and ran off with a younger woman accusing his former aid of being deeply sexist.

The government is embroiled in numerous accusations of lining its own pockets following the brexit power grab by the right wing of the party. Which of course wasn't a worry pre referendum. As of course accountability generally.

In keeping with taking a lead on the world stage, we have seen through our promises to cut back on overseas aid, instead preferring to spend money on trading. This is well represented by our purchasing of 10million AZ vaccines from India with not much sign of sending aid to help with the unfolding humanitarian crisis there.

Our post Brexit foreign policy looks muddled at best. The new world order is a big confusing. We dont mind trading with regimes which have human rights abuses... As long as they are countries which are smaller than us and we can exploit. We don't particularly like China atm because we aren't getting much out of the shitting on others. Plus its not really proving a great opportunity for Westerners to line their pockets like other dodgy regimes because its generally closed to outsiders and this is even more true in covid times.

But don't worry, we will soon be able to go abroad again on our covid passports. The 17th May beckons when the penny will drop that efforts to integrate medical records with passport data which apparently border agencies are working on, isn't ready yet and that doesn't matter because other countries won't be ready to let us in yet, especially since we are outside the EU and EEA and we haven't been great at talking to them. And we probably will still have to quarantine on return anyway. (End of June is still optimistic but more realistic).

We've still to impose customs checks yet because we didn't want to do it in April in case that meant the shops would be empty when they reopened. So we still have that joy to look forward to. Great for EU exporters. Less great for uk exporters. For now.

Of course we have the May Council elections to look forward to, in which it will become apparent just how fucking useless and invisible Keir Starmer is and how Labour policies are not connecting with voters in spite of all of the above. Mainly due to navel gazing and an inability to get beyond their social circle. Any good ideas they do have are promptly nicked by the Tories.

Post Brexit talk of reviewing the Monarchy are also growing in steam...

If we look back it feels like the sleaziness of the early nineties has returned but with no prospect of joining the Eu, no John Smith or Smiling Tony to inspire, no coming Cool Brittania to cheer us up. Just sleaze tolerated and accepted, rather than rejected. And one massive debt than had been largely repaid.

Its hard to see where we go from here. We seem bewildered by geography and confused by technology. Unwilling to invest in science and no longer aligned with the right people to collaborate effectively.

Instead we are more pre occupied with in fighting.

As a friend said to me this week, they had started to watch alternative news channels to British based ones because she felt we had become so inward looking. She felt like our mentality was increasing like the US which simply was unaware of events and ideas beyond our borders. I think its a comment that has so much ressonnance.

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Peregrina · 06/05/2021 09:57

The point I'm making is that the headlines (even the guardian) have selected the most incendiary quotes.

Yes, indeed and a paper like the Guardian should know better.

A more measured response from the FT:

UK fishing
UK navy vessels arrive off Jersey as fishing row with France intensifies
French fishing boats converge on island to protest against post-Brexit restrictions on their activity

  • UK accused of reneging on sustainable fishing pledge
  • UK fishing industry furious over failure to strike Norway deal
  • UK and EU clash over post-Brexit fishing rights

Straight forward and factual headlines, although I haven't read the article.

QuentininQuarantino · 06/05/2021 09:59

@Clavinova

do you have a point somewhere in all that copy/paste Clavinova?

Seems obvious to me.

Well yes, but so do the benefits of Brexit, but you've never quite managed to get them across so maybe you could give it a go.
dontcallmelen · 06/05/2021 10:04

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Clavinova · 06/05/2021 10:22

Well yes, but so do the benefits of Brexit, but you've never quite managed to get them across so maybe you could give it a go.

I answered a similar question last week - seems to me that you wouldn't be happy with any answer.

I doubt EU fishermen are very happy about the Brexit deal either;

Both sides have agreed that 25% of EU boats' fishing rights in UK waters will be transferred to the UK fishing fleet over a period of five years.
Under plans outlined in the deal, EU fishing quota in UK waters will be reduced by 15% in the first year and 2.5 percentage points each year after.

Peregrina · 06/05/2021 10:27

The problem of course, which better negotiators that Johnson and Frost would have known, is that the UK population doesn't really like what is caught in UK waters, preferring Cod from the Arctic. The fish that we do catch are favoured in the EU particularly France and Iberia.

TheElementsSong · 06/05/2021 11:30

🐿 Appropriate to the recent patriotic efforts of the True BeLeavers, “SPAM” came to mean junk email, chat messages and eventually all meaningless shite on the internet because of a 1970 skit from Monty Python’s Flying Circus in which a restaurant menu comprises increasingly Spam-heavy items. Eventually the scene degenerates into a group of Vikings shouting “SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM…!”, and thus drowning out other conversation. Early internet users noted the infuriating similarity between unwanted Spam drowning out both the menu and the conversation in the restaurant, and reams of meaningless text being vomited all over, messing up the signal-to-noise ratio and drowning out meaningful discussion. 🐿

Peregrina · 06/05/2021 12:29

I may be mistaken, but I think the Guardian has toned down it's heading. It's now UK sends patrol boats - that doesn't have the same emphasis as sending in the Navy.

yellowspanner · 06/05/2021 12:40

Of course I am aware of the bus that was used in the 2016 referendum.
But I fail to see what it's got to do with the Navy defending the port in Jersey.
The local Minister in Brittany is saying he fully supports the actions of the French Government.
In this country Ministers are part of the Government. Perhaps France is different and the French Fisheries Minister (who supported his Government's stance) is independent of the Government.🤷‍♀️

yellowspanner · 06/05/2021 12:43

HannibalHeyeski,
Who or what are "thicketeers", please?

Peregrina · 06/05/2021 12:46

I think it's all a sad business. Boris Johnson's Great Deal isn't liked by the fishermen of either the UK or France. I thought the aim in business (thinking of those tedious management courses I have been on) is to aim for win-win. This appears to be lose-lose.

The French fisheries Minister has been particularly inept, to be charitable, or downright stupid, with the inflammatory remarks made, but what does our own fisheries minister have to say on the matter? So far, not a word as far as I can see, and at Christmas found that organising a Nativity Trail was a greater priority.

Peregrina · 06/05/2021 13:03

I can't see why, since the Channel Island have never been in the EU why their waters even needed to be included in the Brexit negotiations. If the CI's and France were happy with the existing arrangements, why weren't things left alone?

FatCatThinCat · 06/05/2021 13:22

The local Minister in Jersey also supports the French action and says it is 'legitimate peaceful protest'. Not everyone has drunk the brexit coolaid.

DGRossetti · 06/05/2021 15:36

@FatCatThinCat

The local Minister in Jersey also supports the French action and says it is 'legitimate peaceful protest'. Not everyone has drunk the brexit coolaid.
Shades of Gibraltar slowly becoming more Spanish by the day.

Selling England by the Pound ...

Clavinova · 06/05/2021 16:38

The local Minister in Jersey also supports the French action and says it is 'legitimate peaceful protest'.

I think you have misinterpreted the article. He supports [any] legitimate peaceful protest - but not disproportionate threats towards Jersey. He has just been speaking on LBC - he doesn't support the "rhetoric" from France.

Also interviewed by Sky;
news.sky.com/video/jersey-minister-ian-gorst-explains-the-fishing-row-with-france-12298216

QuentininQuarantino · 06/05/2021 18:01

A lot of the boats protesting were Jersey fishermen, because it’s not a Britain-vs-EU thing at all, but a brexit-vs-sanity thing.

including Chris Le Masurier, the owner of the Jersey Oyster Company, who described conditions placed upon the new post-Brexit fishing licences issued to Breton and Norman fishers as “insulting and discriminatory”.

Peregrina · 06/05/2021 19:02

Brussels says UK breached trade deal in Jersey fish dispute reported by the FT. The paper which I think is probably the most objective.

And yes, I found out that the Guardian had toned down its language, from gunboat to patrol boat, which gives a very different impression. Of course this blowing up today has nothing to do with Johnson wanting to gain some cheap Falkland style points for today's elections.

Apparently it's a non story France and there were more British journalists there than French fishermen. Who would have thought that.

Clavinova · 06/05/2021 20:15

including Chris Le Masurier, the owner of the Jersey Oyster Company

That's the same guy mentioned in three links on this thread.

Of course this blowing up today has nothing to do with Johnson wanting to gain some cheap Falkland style points for today's elections.

Labour backs Navy mission in bid to head off ‘khaki win’ for Tories on Super Thursday.

Labour wrapped itself in the Union Flag on Thursday amid fears in the party that the deployment of Navy gunboats to Jersey was being whipped up to influence the critical Hartlepool by-election.

Shadow defence secretary John Healey moved quickly to endorse the deployment and praise the “experience” of the Senior Service in resolving such disputes.

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-navy-jersey-fishing-row-khaki-win-tories-super-thursday-elections-b933559.html

Arborea · 06/05/2021 21:11

I voted earlier today at an extremely quiet polling station. I wonder just when this particular penny is going to drop: twitter.com/simonjedge/status/1390216703515271172

If I were doing my A level Politics course over again I'd love to tackle an essay question considering whether Brexit and gender politics signal the end of left/right politics

Jenthefredo · 06/05/2021 21:38

Postal vote
Spoilt my ballot
1st time ever

Jenthefredo · 06/05/2021 21:39

My ds1 is doing a level politics and hopes to do history and politics at university

Its fascinating! They were also studying the US constitution when Trump incited the riots at the Capitol

borntobequiet · 06/05/2021 22:11

Polling station here very quiet according to staff, and this is an area where local elections are taken very seriously and local politicians forever at each others’ throats.

Peregrina · 06/05/2021 22:45

I suspect that there were a lot more postal votes this time. Delivering leaflets a number told me that they had already voted.

Peregrina · 06/05/2021 22:51

The Scotsman's take on the Trade deal with India.

I don't know the bias of this paper, but I assume it's fairly middle of the road. A Scot can correct me if I am wrong.

prettybird · 06/05/2021 22:54

The Scotsman is Edinburgh based therefore ultra-Unionist and Conservative/right wing leaning so speaks a Glaswegian Wink

It is definitely ultra unionist and pro-Establishment hence why I tend not to read it Hmm

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