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Westministenders: This is not the Brexit we voted for

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ListeningQuietly · 08/04/2021 12:06

UK Shellfish industry destroyed because our inshore waters are not clean enough
Welsh Ports on their knees because the Land Bridge has found another route
Horticulture seed producers lost all of their mainland EU customers

Antique dealers lost access to their suppliers
Small businesses being told (by UK Govt) to relocate to the EU to avoid red tape
Brits in the EU discovering that stopping Free Movement applies to them too
Northern Ireland in Unionist flames because there is a border between them and Great Britain, but not the Republic
And the UK has still not taken control of its borders

Brexit is shaping up as predicted, but none of those who voted for it seem to have what they wanted

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HarrietPierce · 10/04/2021 12:57

Martin Hammond, who was Johnson’s housemaster and taught him classics, spotted early on that the former Foreign Secretary and prominent Brexiteer showcased a certain irresponsibility and inattention to facts.

Writing of him in a school report in April 1982, he said: “Boris really has adopted a disgracefully cavalier attitude to his classical studies . . . Boris sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the School for next half): I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation which binds everyone else.”

Peregrina · 10/04/2021 13:11

So Johnson thinks that exporting illegal weapons is a joke. I am surprised that you didn't jump to his defence Clavinova, because it was said last summer. The reality now is that violence has broken out, so you repeat his deplorable comment, not to say that it was a mistake but to say that some other poster started it.

HannibalHayes · 10/04/2021 13:41

"TheSandman, vera99 and HannibalHayes

I thought your comments regarding the Duke of Edinburgh last night were inappropriate and uncalled for - no doubt Peregrina told you so herself - oh, wait..."

I didn't make any comments regarding the DoE. I made comments about the situation, but none actually regarding the person.

Deflecting yet again...

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ListeningQuietly · 10/04/2021 14:15

Louise
Johnson could have done with brushing his hair for sure but that's just his image. Thought the words of his statement were very well chosen tbh. His suit jacket was clearly too big for him though IMO. I wonder if he's lost weight (I beleive he has after illness) and then he's found that the "emergency" black suit jacket was a size or 2 too large.
Johnson's cultivated image is the scruffy hair, crumpled ill fitting suits, wonky tie and adopted name.
Its a choice to look that shit.

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HesterThrale · 10/04/2021 14:15

More Johnson lies.

mobile.twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1380867382256762883

TatianaBis · 10/04/2021 14:34

Please can someone please make the Prince Phillip stuff stop.

TheElementsSong · 10/04/2021 14:42

Please can someone please make the Prince Phillip stuff stop.

It's got to be kept going, like the flag-shagging previously, as a symbol with which to differentiate Patriotic TruBeLeaving Brexitannians from nasty grubby traitors. (See: above).

Kendodd · 10/04/2021 14:44

And more lies.

twitter.com/i/status/1380116697873518594

wewereliars · 10/04/2021 14:49

The non stop Prince Phillip forced mourning is scarily like North Korea

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ListeningQuietly · 10/04/2021 14:53

@TatianaBis

Please can someone please make the Prince Phillip stuff stop.
Its very interesting.

Diana was utterly OTT
Queen Mum was more civilised but upset the rightwing tories.
This is against Philip's wishes and is upsetting far more than it pleases.

Hopefully after the funeral, Charles and William will sit down with the courtiers to modernise London Bridge

because if they get it wrong, then Johnson has a shot at being head of state

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Peregrina · 10/04/2021 14:55

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TatianaBis · 10/04/2021 15:05

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The non stop Prince Phillip forced mourning is scarily like North Korea
Yes.

I feel like the Diana stuff was mad but more genuine as she was 36 when she was killed and it was a total shock to everyone.

Phillip was 99 years old. He barely said anything sensible in his entire life, which was lived in a variety of palaces.

Peregrina · 10/04/2021 15:15

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wewereliars · 10/04/2021 15:19

Yes Tatiana, and the Diana hysteria was bottom up, not top down like this. People did go a bit crazy over Diana, I remember a judge sentencing a hapless foreign tourist to a week or something in prison for taking a teddy from the mountain of tributes lying on a floor in London. Her death followed non stop coverage of Diana cavorting in various boats with Dodi in France. The Diana exravaganza of public grief was a function of a beautiful 36 year old mother who had left 2 young sons. It was also anti establishment and a bit of a "fuck you" to the Royal family

TatianaBis · 10/04/2021 15:50

The Diana exravaganza of public grief was a function of a beautiful 36 year old mother who had left 2 young sons. It was also anti establishment and a bit of a "fuck you" to the Royal family

Yes. This is all so official. And also squirrelly, given the AZ and Brexit.

TatianaBis · 10/04/2021 15:50

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Jason118 · 10/04/2021 16:53

I've avoided all news for the last two days - it's completely over the top coverage, and as I never met the man I don't actually give a shit. Old man dies, shock horror. Old men die all the time. A personal loss for all who knew and cared for him, but for the rest of us, what did he actually do that warrants such OTT outpourings? I know about the WWF stuff (would have been funny if it was wrestling), but why so much state sponsored nonsense?

Peregrina · 10/04/2021 16:54

The Diana exravaganza of public grief was a function of a beautiful 36 year old mother who had left 2 young sons. It was also anti establishment and a bit of a "fuck you" to the Royal family

Also, there are still unresolved questions about the accident which caused her death. But what honestly is unexpected about someone who was known to have been ill recently dying just shy of his 100th birthday?

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ListeningQuietly · 10/04/2021 17:25

I am reading lots of news websites (I always do)
and I'm not seeing much criticism of other Royals
nor am I seeing politicians able to make capital in the way Blair did from Diana.

The fact that Philip's funeral will obey COVID rules
fits with his wishes
and is extremely convenient for a family who know that all politicians are a risk to them at the moment.

Hopefully the nine days of National mourning will be the last time.
Because of course in the past flags at half mast and gun salutes and bells tolling was how the news travelled
Then it was radio and TV and newspapers.
This time it was the Royal Twitter account before almost anywhere else.
And the condolence book is online
and the flowers are not being left to rot.

No photo ops for politicians
many of whom are in Election Purdah even more convenient
so time for the Royals to listen and watch the mood and plan forwards.

It will also mean that Northern Ireland stays on the front pages
where it should be.

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Peregrina · 10/04/2021 17:40

Because of course in the past flags at half mast and gun salutes and bells tolling was how the news travelled

Indeed, when George VI died my parents said they had been out all day and on the way home saw the flag flying at half mast and wondered why.

TatianaBis · 10/04/2021 18:49

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Peregrina · 10/04/2021 18:58

I thought they were supposed to tell me why my posts were deleted.

They haven't done. I can't think I said anything too offensive. I certainly said what I thought about Boris Johnson's appearance but am not alone in thinking that he needs to smarten up.

Perhaps someone would like to report that too, so that it can be deleted.

pointythings · 10/04/2021 19:16

@Peregrina

I thought they were supposed to tell me why my posts were deleted.

They haven't done. I can't think I said anything too offensive. I certainly said what I thought about Boris Johnson's appearance but am not alone in thinking that he needs to smarten up.

Perhaps someone would like to report that too, so that it can be deleted.

I find this worrying. We have precedent for Brexiteers reporting posts by people who are overtly anti-Brexit and chasing long term posters away. I hope these threads won't be affected.
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ListeningQuietly · 10/04/2021 19:20

MrsL
As per my opening post
the shellfish debacle comes entirely down to the UK choosing not to clean up its inshore waters
over the last umpteen years.
The EA has been weakened and defunded so it cannot enforce and prosecute
so the waters have stayed at grade B or C
as getting to grade A would have cost money
but the UK votes for low taxes

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