Westministenders: This is not the Brexit we voted for

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UK Shellfish industry destroyed because our inshore waters are not clean enough
Welsh Ports on their knees because the Land Bridge has found another route
Horticulture seed producers lost all of their mainland EU customers

Antique dealers lost access to their suppliers
Small businesses being told (by UK Govt) to relocate to the EU to avoid red tape
Brits in the EU discovering that stopping Free Movement applies to them too
Northern Ireland in Unionist flames because there is a border between them and Great Britain, but not the Republic
And the UK has still not taken control of its borders

Brexit is shaping up as predicted, but none of those who voted for it seem to have what they wanted

It would be interesting to see then, just how many friends Boris Johnson has. Will they quietly desert him and pretend that they never really knew him? The same is happening with Cameron now; he doesn't seem to have any friends rallying round.

It would be most satisfying to see the combined efforts of Cameron and Johnson destroy the Tory party. We can but live in hope.

Dh (who "does" Twitter more than me) says that the scuttlebut is that Gove is behind all these leaks, in preparation for his own challenge for the leadership

@prettybird

Dh (who "does" Twitter more than me) says that the scuttlebut is that Gove is behind all these leaks, in preparation for his own challenge for the leadership

It seems to me that this is the sort of thing that Gove would relish and be very good at. Wasn’t Cummings his creature in the first place? I imagine that would make the exercise so much sweeter.

@prettybird

Dh (who "does" Twitter more than me) says that the scuttlebut is that Gove is behind all these leaks, in preparation for his own challenge for the leadership

DH and I were talking about this earlier. There has to be a reason for Cummings coming out with all this now (I’m not sure he’d care about being accused of leaking the Dyson stuff). Is this Gove making his tentacled move on Bozo?

I don't think Johnson is sufficiently wounded (politically) to allow for a leadership challenge. We are still in a pandemic, Labour's momentum has stalled and the Scottish elections are coming up. I would expect the challenge to come next year, when we see the true fallout of the pandemic. A lot of people are still being kept afloat by furlough payments at the moment.

I certainly think we need to see what happens with the Scottish elections and the Hartlepool by-election. If the Tories take the latter but get wiped out in Scotland, we will only hear about Hartlepool, which Johnson will cite as a big win. Gove will then have to keep his powder dry for another challenge later - next year maybe.

By then, furlough will be finished, the country should be well vaccinated, the rest of the EU should have caught up with vaccinations, so Brexit issues will come to the fore.

Gove forgets how much he is hated.

Johnson does not believe he is hated.

Cummings hates everybody.

Cameron knows he is hated but is too rich to care.

Its conundrum isnt it? Which liar shall we believe? And definitely the Gove-Macbeths in the background. Spectacularly mistimed on their last attempt, maybe they'll do better this time round. Bloody well hope not. What a shower.

We think Gove and retch at the thought, but what would be the betting that Priti Patel might fancy her chances? Which one would the paid up Tory members go for? They knew that Johnson was a liar and a cheat, but were either like Clavinova, and prepared to deny that, or they thought being represented by a cheating liar was fine.

Surely not Priti Patel? 'She thicks mens blood with cold' as was said of Thatcher. I hope you're not right peregrina but you very possibly are. Liars and cheats, the order of the day. Just wait and see which one claws and elbows it's way to the top.

True or not?

@prettybird

Dh (who "does" Twitter more than me) says that the scuttlebut is that Gove is behind all these leaks, in preparation for his own challenge for the leadership

Was in it this thread or somewhere else recently that someone was wondering where The Gove was? He does seem to have slipped himself out of the limelight recently.

Michael Gove. Such a political mover that Terry Pratchett could have written him. Assistant to the Patrician, Slithy Gove, with sinister but possibly useful links to assorted, unnamed, Guilds.

Another brilliant one from Michael Spicer.

Much as I hate the moral vacuum that is Johnson, the thought of Gove and his vile spouse is truly the stuff of nightmares. Pritti awful would never get past the stale pale tory grandees to have a shot at leadership. She is far too common, far too the wrong gender, and far too the wrong race, despite her efforts to be viler to ethnic minorities than anyone else in the cabinet of the talentless.

Various facebook forums I am on also think that Gove is masterminding the Cummings reveals. As has I think been pointed out here, what is in it for Cummings right now? It doesn't detract from Johnson, because he's already known as a liar and a cheat, which enough of the public are happy with.

Gove’s golem:

Downing Street insiders are increasingly fearful that a devastating "treasure trove" of internal memos and emails from Dominic Cummings will paint the Government in the worst possible light at the height of the Covid crisis

Whilst the Westminster bubble of politicians and journalists find this all very exciting, I don’t think the majority of the public give a damn. They certainly have no respect for Dominic Cummings and they’ve got other things to worry about right now. I think this’ll be a weekend wonder and then forgotten. We’ll see.

Chris Patten has now declared that the current Tory party is a right wing Nationalist one.

Yet he is a man who will have the word Tory running through him like in a stick of rock.

Looks like Patel's plans are being thwarted.

I will almost guarantee that this will be the cue for the Leavers to start screaming that nasty EU isn't being fair with us. They seem to forget that they were the ones who wanted us to leave; it wasn't the EU booting us out.

This sounds to be pretty shit for the asylum seekers.

This sounds to be pretty shit for the asylum seekers.

So job done then.

So job done then.

Yes you don't have to be an overweight middle aged Englishman to be a racist.

They seem to forget that they were the ones who wanted us to leave; it wasn't the EU booting us out.

But "they" wouldn't give the UK more and more special deals so it's their fault that the UK was forced to leave.

Claimed in true gaslighting sincerity by the proponents of Brexit

@Peregrina

So job done then.

Yes you don't have to be an overweight middle aged Englishman to be a racist.

That - in itself - is racist.

Maybe Toryism is more akin to a religious devotion. As long as you are "Tory" it seems, you can transcend all other barriers.

I was reading about the German party leadership elections this morning.
The whole tone of the EU will be rather different by the time of COP26
and the UK will be even more isolated.

Vaccination is proceeding apace
places are opening up
and those pesky import controls on EU-UK products are looking