Westministenders: This is not the Brexit we voted for

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UK Shellfish industry destroyed because our inshore waters are not clean enough
Welsh Ports on their knees because the Land Bridge has found another route
Horticulture seed producers lost all of their mainland EU customers

Antique dealers lost access to their suppliers
Small businesses being told (by UK Govt) to relocate to the EU to avoid red tape
Brits in the EU discovering that stopping Free Movement applies to them too
Northern Ireland in Unionist flames because there is a border between them and Great Britain, but not the Republic
And the UK has still not taken control of its borders

Brexit is shaping up as predicted, but none of those who voted for it seem to have what they wanted

What was it Leadsom said about Brits being ready to take back the jobs
www.thegrocer.co.uk/hiring-and-firing/pick-for-britain-scheme-for-uk-based-farm-workers-scrapped/655189.article

🐿 The 19th century American Acclimatization Society was formed in New York with the aim of introducing the civilising and familiarising influence of European flora and fauna to the New World. One charming idea of the Society was to introduce every bird species ever mentioned by Shakespeare, as this would be culturally pleasing; therefore in the 1890s, they released 100 European starlings in Central Park. The starlings settled into their new Manhattan home and began breeding copiously. Since then, more than 200 million starlings have spread across the entire continent of North America all the way to the West Coast, being blamed for the collapse in several native bird populations and damaging agriculture and earning a place on the list of 100 worst invasive species.

Because the chairman of the Society at the time was the German immigrant Eugene Schieffelin, we can safely agree that the debacle was a terrible idea. If Raaaaaab, PritiAwful, TentaclesGove or especially BlowJohnson had suggested it, we would have to declare it a great success. Also, it's something that happened elsewhere and another time - which makes it super relevant to the discussion at hand. 🐿

As predicted the UKs bid to muscle in on the Lugano convention is going as well as might be expected.

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1424154/brexit-news-eu-commission-ursula-von-der-leyen-uk-boris-johnson-lugano-convention

We can ignore the usual Express Brexiteria as per - they slide the unpleasant truth in half way through ....

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In order to rejoin, Britain needs the unanimous consent of all other contracting parties including the EU, Denmark and the EFTA states.
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which ain't ever gonna happen.

Oh dear.

Read it properly . The UK is not trying to 'muscle in'. We applied to join. The EU are lobbying countries to try and prevent us from joining.
You try and out an anti UK and pro EU slant on everything.

Read it properly

I'll read the Express properly when they write it properly, thank you.

Why would the UK want to join an EU institution.
I thought going it alone away from the EU was what Brexiters wanted.

The very outrage of a separate and independent entity not kissing up to us! DontTheyKnowWhoWeAre?

It is not a wholly EU institution as you well know

@yellowspanner

It is not a wholly EU institution as you well know

Indeed, but its dominated by the EU so why is the UK not focussing on the whole world outside the EU like the Government keeps telling businesses to do ......

Why do the EU need to lobby countries to block the UK? They have the power to do that themselves. Unless you're trying to paint a narrative of the big bully getting others to gang up on poor, innocent, little UK.

How about if I spin it in a TruBeLeaving Brexitannian stylee?

"Great Brexitannia was buccaneeringly, swashbucklingly victorious in all aspects of exit negotiation with the EU, winning countless concessions and striking terror into their cowering foreign hearts. Therefore it is hardly surprising that the snivelling cowards are terrified of facing Our mighty Brexitannian greatness ever again. Consequently, the fearful weaklings are attempting to sneakily block Our righteous admission to this institution!"

Ta-dah!

"THE EUROPEAN Commission has been shamed after Brussels urged member states to block the UK from the Lugano Convention despite Britain applying for membership last year."

So basically the Express is saying... what? "We applied so we should be let join because 'we' have some magic superpower that lets the UK join whatever it wants whenever it wants to - and can leave what ever it wants whenever it wants to?" and somehow anyone who has a different idea is 'shamed'?

GTF!

I read the article in the FT the other day about the Lugano application, which I would imagine would give a fuller more reasoned article than the Express ever will. As far as I could see, all the other participants were in the Single Market. So why does the UK want to join such an organisation? Could it be to get the benefits without paying its dues?

But I thought there were no benefits to the Single Market - we were so much better outside which is why we went for a hard Brexit.

brodies.com/insights/real-estate/post-brexit-enforcement-of-guarantees-outside-uk/

For some grown up analysis of the situation.

@yellowspanner

It is not a wholly EU institution as you well know

But it is a wholly EU/EFTA/EEA institution and the UK is in non of these.

This is bit like the UK trying to join the CPTPP... as far as i'm aware, the UK does not have a pacific coastline, though its possible Raab thinks it does.

And Boris Johnson would be only too pleased to be "hauled back before the commons" to report that a record number of people have applied for nursing courses after the reintroduction of a bursary/grant for trainee nurses

Maybe re read the article quoted?

Despite the welcomed increase in applicants across the UK, the RCN flagged that these figures only took numbers back to roughly where they were in 2016 before the nursing bursary was axed in England

Govt is a million miles away from 50k extra/more nurses.

I have never claimed that the UK was in any of those JasJas.
I said that it was not an EU institution.

The 50K extra nurses were from when Boris became PM, not from 2016. He did not cut the bursary.

I said that it was not an EU institution.

As indeed we are all aware, but what you Leavers seem to be incapable of explaining is why when you wanted out of the EU, EEA and EFTA, you now want to rejoin something which comprises of countries in those bodies. Without Brexit, the application would not be necessary.

Yes, I can understand the Trans Pacific Partnership - that will partly be because Australia, New Zealand and Canada are all Pacific nations, and if the USA could be persuaded to join it becomes as good as being the Anglosphere again.

We can pass up on whether Raab is so clueless about geography that he doesn't know which ocean is which.

He did not cut the bursary.

He was a Tory MP then. Find us a record of when he voted against cutting the bursary and we may be able to believe you.

BTW can't someone give the man a comb? I have just looked at the BBC footage of the One Minute Silence for Prince Philip - all the others, Starmer, Sturgeon, Foster looked smart. He looked his usual dishevelled mess.

The Asian and South American nations may rain on that "anglosphere" vibe......

But I still think that Truss and Co think that with the White Commonwealth nations on board plus if it happened the USA, the smaller Pacific nations, excepting Japan, could be safely ignored.

I am sure she and many Brexiteers do..... the fly in the ointment being that all those nations are far more important to those "white" commonwealth nations than the UK..... because......eeeerrrrrr....(whispers).... they're closer(shock horror)..... and it's easier to trade with those closest to you.......

As discussed here ad infinitum .......

Which of course I know you completely understand @Peregrina ...... but it's worth saying for those hard of learning, that have been told a million times but still don't seem to comprehend.....

BTW can't someone give the man a comb? I have just looked at the BBC footage of the One Minute Silence for Prince Philip - all the others, Starmer, Sturgeon, Foster looked smart. He looked his usual dishevelled mess.
This
I actively avoided the coverage
as too many friends have lost loved ones and had shit funerals in the last year
BUT
I watched the 4 minute BBC clip
EVERYBODY looked smart and respectful
except the scruffy slob with the wonky tie in Downing Street