Westministenders: This is not the Brexit we voted for

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UK Shellfish industry destroyed because our inshore waters are not clean enough
Welsh Ports on their knees because the Land Bridge has found another route
Horticulture seed producers lost all of their mainland EU customers

Antique dealers lost access to their suppliers
Small businesses being told (by UK Govt) to relocate to the EU to avoid red tape
Brits in the EU discovering that stopping Free Movement applies to them too
Northern Ireland in Unionist flames because there is a border between them and Great Britain, but not the Republic
And the UK has still not taken control of its borders

Brexit is shaping up as predicted, but none of those who voted for it seem to have what they wanted

Down my street they presume they don't need to bother. I've had a Lib Dem and a Labour leaflet though.

I've had conservatives and independent. Last local election our independents did well - county council is Tory and bloody useless, but our local independents have actually made some positive changes. Which puts me in a difficult position because they have done well, but are both also rabid Brexiteers and very right wing. No chance of anything progressive getting a look in here. I may have to go back to spoiling my ballot if the Greens don't stand this time.

Nobody ever knocks on our door (possibly due to the sign saying ‘no canvassers’ ), but we seem to have had LOADS of leaflets and things through the door from the Green candidate. To the extent that I actually remember his name, but the amount of paper involved makes me doubt his Green credentials somewhat...

Thanks for update LQ it would be ironic wouldn't it if all that Kent land being turned into Brexit lorry parks turned out to be largely redundant because of a drop in EU / Irish lorries.

Guess we'll see what happens over next few weeks.

Not a whisper from Labour around here (mostly Tory but some Greens). They've got so much work ahead of them to become anything like a decent opposition let along a functioning possible government.

Boris Johnson has said the Northern Ireland Protocol is not operating in the way he envisaged.

The Prime Minister said he did not think arrangements he agreed with the EU would involve restrictions on the movements of food products such as sausages, on parcel deliveries and on soil from Great Britain entering Northern Ireland.

Johnson, March 2021.

This is what happens when you don't bother reading the agreement.

Also, when you seem to not be very bright.

In a virtual press conference on a visit to the region, Mr Johnson said: “It needs to be corrected, you can’t have a situation in which soil or parcels or tractors with mud on their tyres or whatever are prevented from moving easily from one part of the UK to another – it’s all one United Kingdom.”

He said the protocol was an act of “good neighbourliness” by the UK towards Ireland and the EU to stop goods moving into the single market in an “uncontrolled way”.

And also suffering from a massive problem with cognitive dissonance.

Personally I don't think Boris Johnson needed to return to NI in person so soon after his last visit

Correct.

He did his job - he fanned the flames of discontent when he encouraged the DUP to think they had a friend in Westminster.

Now he is strategically silent and invisible because the conflagration on which he poured petrol back in March isn't a very attractive Conservative and Unionist image.

Does the video also point out that Keir Starmer quoted an out of date projection in the same exchange (on poverty) in Parliament?

Is there not a difference between quoting out of date figures and pulling something straight out of your arse?

Given that relative child poverty is still 30% (unchanged since 2015/16), we don’t think these projections are still valid.

The point is really not whose figures are correct. The point is that no matter what way you cut it, poverty affects the lives and life chances of just under one in three children in the UK.

"The point is really not whose figures are correct. The point is that no matter what way you cut it, poverty affects the lives and life chances of just under one in three children in the UK."

And that is something as a country we should be deeply ashamed of...... but it seems certain parts of society couldn't care less about their fellow countryman, let alone kids who aren't getting the nutrition they need - their basic needs aren't being meet.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56761508.amp

anecdotal evidence for this - my brother who has a long term condition was unable to get some of his meds & pharmacy has no idea when they will be able to get them again.

..also heard that 1 of the drug manufacturers in NI has put a lot of its workers on 3 weeks unpaid leave as they can’t get the raw materials so need to stop production ( but can’t find that mentioned in news anywhere).

No time to extract text but the link says it all

www.theregister.com/2021/04/15/pigeon_fanciers_fear_brexit_quarantine/

Clavinova

What do you think?

Is it acceptable for a Prime Minister to repeatedly lie?

Is it acceptable for a Prime Minister to repeatedly lie?

At this point Clavinova usually finds that she has to go out all day, and the thread moves on. Otherwise the answer is that it was taken out of context or misinterpreted.

I find it interesting that I have mental “pictures” of so many of the regulars (and occasional posters) on here - I’m sure they’re inaccurate, but they’re there. I pick up straightforward information and clues that allow me some insight into personalities as well as circumstances. It’s part of the illusion I suppose of having “friends” online that one has never met, but has an affinity with.
OTOH there are those that appear as a facade, no more, though with the odd, fairly random, detail that never seems quite to fit properly. I wonder about these posters.

Well I wonder who's paying them as nobody unpaid, surely, could be so relentlessly pig headed and blind to facts as some posters appear to be. It's like Pravda for the Right.

borntobequiet: I went to a meet-up once with MNers whose DC were born in the same month as DS2. It was v interesting to see them: some of my mental images were very wrong, others quite accurate. The only person who mentioned it said that I looked nothing like she'd imagined: she'd thought I was very tall and very fair-haired, for some reason.

productive talks on NI apparently.

At least three and a half months later than they should have been, and ideally should have been discussed at least back last October.

I have occasionally wondered if some posters are paid for posting on certain topics, there were rumours of online manipulation regarding Brexit, but I've probably been watching far too much of The Americans .

The point is really not whose figures are correct. The point is that no matter what way you cut it, poverty affects the lives and life chances of just under one in three children in the UK.

While at the same time we (the oiks) are supposed be observing eight days mourning for a very rich, entitled.... etc. blah blah blah

So true.

Having encountered people who absolutely refuse, ever, to admit they were wrong, no matter how obvious the evidence to the contrary, or to accept that criticism of someone/ a group is not synonymous with hatred, but rather part and parcel of objective (if such a thing is possible: discuss...), analytic thinking, I'm not sure either way.

A squirrel is a squirrel is an écureuil is an Eichhörnchen, whencesoever it may bound onto these threads.

OTH, no one could ever mistake my verbose, frantically punctuated sentences for those of a bot .

@Peregrina

productive talks on NI apparently.

At least three and a half months later than they should have been, and ideally should have been discussed at least back last October.

I'll believe that the talks are both positive and productive when an EU representative says it, as opposed to the self serving Lord Frost one of the 17, according to my dad, unelected members of government