Westministenders: This is not the Brexit we voted for

[ListeningQuietly]

UK Shellfish industry destroyed because our inshore waters are not clean enough
Welsh Ports on their knees because the Land Bridge has found another route
Horticulture seed producers lost all of their mainland EU customers

Antique dealers lost access to their suppliers
Small businesses being told (by UK Govt) to relocate to the EU to avoid red tape
Brits in the EU discovering that stopping Free Movement applies to them too
Northern Ireland in Unionist flames because there is a border between them and Great Britain, but not the Republic
And the UK has still not taken control of its borders

Brexit is shaping up as predicted, but none of those who voted for it seem to have what they wanted

Which is ironic because that's not something Prince Philip ever approved of.

And furthermore, is increasingly not how deaths are marked these days. How many funerals have you been to where you are told not to wear black because such and such liked colour and it's meant to be a celebration of their life?

Funerals should be a celebration of life.
I do truly hope that the planning for London Bridge is utterly revamped so that it better supports and reflects who we are today.
Too many people have been to too many funerals in the past year that were not allowed to respect the wishes of the deceased.
Too many have died from avoidable healthcare issues.
If the Royals can pick up on that and improver their relevance
GOOD

Cross post with LQ.

We could add that too many people have not been allowed to go to funerals over this past year. There have been six funerals this last year of people who I would have wished to go and pay my respects to and offer support to the immediate family, but wasn't able to. At least 3 of those were people I have known for 40 years, and the others for at least 20 years.

A bit of peace and love?! No idea what that means... but if anyone is offended at all by what is being posted, then why not just, you know, avoid the thread?? ...

It is something I genuinely do not get. If you disagree with Remainer views about Brexit and/or criticisms of a Johnson government, absolutely fine. But then why continue to follow a thread about Brexit, which has, from day one, always been anti-Brexit and why oh why get in a huff about these views, post antagonistic comments, and/or report other's posts... Is this emblematic of English exceptionalism on a microcosmic level?

Anyhow, I think Peregrina and Tatiana win the award for most deleted comments in a row to you both.

From the Independent:
www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/prince-philip-death-bbc-ratings-b1829504.html

"Viewing figures for the BBC and ITV collapsed after they pulled their regularly scheduled programming for wall-to-wall coverage of Prince Philip’s death.

"The earliest available overnight ratings, provided by Barb, saw ITV’s Friday night (9 April) audience decline by 60 percent in comparison to one week previously. BBC One suffered a similar, if less dramatic, loss of average viewers.

"BBC Two, which pulled its programming in order to broadcast the exact same Duke of Edinburgh programming as BBC One, suffered a 64 percent drop in viewers in comparison to a week ago.

"Channel 4 broadcast the highest-rated show of the evening, after largely sticking to its pre-announced schedule.

Mass Meh in action.

Yes, two consecutive posts deleted. That's a record for me. I am not sure whether I have even had any posts deleted before.

Thanks for the star.

Did you ask why the delete?

I did but thought the reply was a bit vague, basically because it wasn't in the spirit.

That's the thing. I respect the Duke of Edinburgh's life of public service and wish him a good send off. However, if the BBC do continual coverage on it, I have Netflix, Freeview and the Disney channel just a click away.

The pandemic has made me even more intolerant of the forced media message than usual.

Hmm not allowed to speak ill of the dead type stuff.

On another note, Randox must be doing exceptionally well off taxpayers Covid money to be absolutely plastered across the Grand National...but glad to see Rachel Blackmore win it.

@DrBlackbird

Hmm not allowed to speak ill of the dead type stuff.

On another note, Randox must be doing exceptionally well off taxpayers Covid money to be absolutely plastered across the Grand National...but glad to see Rachel Blackmore win it.

Randox has been the Grand National sponsor since 2017. But plenty of questions about Owen Paterson’s advisor position with Randox (£100k per year) and Randox winning Government contracts with no other firms being asked to bid.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/11/healthcare-firm-advised-by-owen-paterson-won-133m-coronavirus-testing-contract-unopposed

What a fascinating series of deletion events One can't help but speculate on the delicacy of the sociopolitical outlook of whoever reported But nevertheless! I'm sure that this all represents the galumphing, buccaneering, swashbuckling gallantry with which TruBrexitannians will amaze the World.

basically because it wasn't in the spirit.

Wrongthink there, Peregrina. Tut tut.

I think what really bugs me is the contribution from MNHQ telling us to have "a bit peace and love on this thread"

So is not being "sufficiently" respectful and not subscribing to groupthink according to some is now a deletable offence because it's not "peace and love"?

Whither now political debate?

And is this post in itself "not in the spirit" ? Who decides?

@HannibalHayes

From twitter;

For the 8 day mourning period, newsreaders are expected to wear black, MPs are supposed to wear black armbands, TV logos are changed to black and basically everything is now black... Which is ironic because that's not something Prince Philip ever approved of.

It's also demonstrably not happening as far as I can see. The slightly appologetic intro to Marr this morning spoke volumes I thought.

MN HQ decides and since they own the site it's up to them. We have already lost too many posters who I thought made valuable contributions to the debate. I don't want to be another one lost, although if so, it would force me to turn my energies to something other than MN.

It's my guess that the plans for Prince Philip's funeral have been in place for so long, that they have become a bit fossilised and no one has fully realised that the last year has changed things. This is not just requirements for social distancing and limiting the numbers at funerals, but also the powers that be have failed to take on board just how many people in the UK know someone who has died, and weren't able to either be in hospital with them or attend their funerals, and so find the Media coverage over the top and insensitive to their own grief.

Agree Peregrina, tbh the plans could well have originated 20 years ago. While obviously they'll be being reviewed and revised to take account of COVID rules (30 mourners max, no procession to encourage of public gatherings, etc) I do think we're in an emotionally different place as well as a procedurally different one now too.

I resisted watching The Crown for a long time and with good reason, because now I see real life through that prism. I think, how would this episode be written to encapsulate and illuminate the problems and issues of the age...easy to see really. I think I’d focus on the inability of the media, particularly the print and broadcast media that, despite changes, still has its mindset stuck somewhere between 1950 and 1990, to break from the conventions of its time. A bit like people my age who continue to listen to the music of their youth (I don’t).

It is something I genuinely do not get. If you disagree with Remainer views about Brexit and/or criticisms of a Johnson government, absolutely fine. But then why continue to follow a thread about Brexit, which has, from day one, always been anti-Brexit and why oh why get in a huff about these views, post antagonistic comments, and/or report other's posts... Is this emblematic of English exceptionalism on a microcosmic level?

I'm very pro remain/rejoin and follow lots of Leave groups on line (the hatred of foreigners and non whites on them is appalling, some were practically celebrating Grenfell). I follow them though because I don't want to live in a bubble, this is what a very significant percentage of the country think. Many times I've wanted to unfollow because I can't stand it, I don't though because I think it important to get a fuller picture of the country and not all of them are knuckle dragging racists, some post interesting and well informed content.

The timing of the death matters too. If PP had died twenty five or thirty years ago, there would almost certainly have been a feeling that he had been taken before his time, but at nearly 100, it's sad, but it's not a big tragedy.

More importantly, what is not being said? What about the on-going violence in N Ireland? Why has Johnson not done more that express deep concern about it?

Peregrina 'More importantly, what is not being said? What about the on-going violence in N Ireland? Why has Johnson not done more that express deep concern about it?'

Because he doesn't give a toss?

Because he doesn't give a toss?
That would be my opinion.
And importantly, he knows his voters don't give a toss either. NI situation he caused might come in useful in the future though if he needs to drum up a bit of distraction hatred he can point the finger at the EU and say "look what they've done".

The timing of the death matters too. If PP had died twenty five or thirty years ago, there would almost certainly have been a feeling that he had been taken before his time, but at nearly 100, it's sad, but it's not a big tragedy.

Old man dies. Weather to follow.

Seems PPs funerial arrangements were as well curated as the UKs pandemic arrangements.

The only broadcast program we had on our watchlist from the BBC this week was HIGNFY - and that was pulled.

"Not to worry" we thought "we'll catch The Now Show podcast going to shopping Saturday morning". - Oh, no you won't matey boy, said Auntie Beeb. 'Coz we also pulled Radio 4* (walks off cackling).

Laugh ? I nearly paid my licence fee.