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Brexit

Westministers : Saving the Union

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RedToothBrush · 16/02/2021 23:26

Apparently we need a tunnel. Just like we needed the £53 million failed Garden Bridge.

Nice little earner for anyone involved.

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Bee0808 · 03/03/2021 12:32

She's being disingenuous
They've made a huge mistake and AS will make them pay for it, the odious pig.
Does anyone know why some of the attendees are allowed to be live tweeting the events?
Is that a thing now?

mrslaughan · 03/03/2021 12:33

Re ;Sturgeon. I think Salmond is using the fact that these investigations are so bloody difficult to try and seek revenge.
DH work organisation has been torn apart this year by the facts of a sexual harassment case being made public.
The abuser is still in post - victim paid off. Abuser for awhile kept up a pretence of being slightly sorry.... but what has become apparent is he really feels he did nothing wrong, along with a few other senior men (DH senior but swimming against the tide)
It will destroy the team and in a years time I think most of the team will have left. Whether you feel his behaviour was serious or not is divided on age lines - so it's the younger members of the team who feel strongly about his behaviour. Which means you will only those left who are coming up to retirement........

Anyway I have no sympathy for Salmond and a lot for Sturgeon and really feel for his accusers who are having their experiences diminished for political gain (the Scottish Tories for example)

mrslaughan · 03/03/2021 12:39

@JustAnotherPoster00

Calls for Sturgeon to resign, yeah they can fuck right off with that nonsense with the current shower of shite in Westminster
My thoughts exactly
mrslaughan · 03/03/2021 12:40

God I hate the sound of Sunaks voice..... he doesn't come across as passionate, sincere but very condescending

TatianaBis · 03/03/2021 13:03

They made a mistake but I think it was cock up rather than conspiracy. By comparison, it's nothing like size of Salmond's mistakes or the jury's mistake in finding S not guilty.

HappyWinter · 03/03/2021 13:28

Sunak screwed up with Eat Out to Help Out, he should have been looking at the bigger picture. No point in making the restaurants busy in the summer (and turning them into disease vectors) and then having to shut them for half the winter. It didn't cause the second wave but it did not help, wasn't it something like 17% rise in cases? It would have been better to offer the financial support to hospitality without trying to increase customer numbers and fuel covid spread.

Pandemic has been divisive, it feels like Brexit all over again. Ignore the snippy posters, hopefully it will get more back to normal when things improve.

dontcallmelen · 03/03/2021 15:07

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DGRossetti · 03/03/2021 15:10

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Westministers : Saving the Union
DGRossetti · 03/03/2021 16:02

www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-eu-uk-remoaners-piers-morgan-b1810392.html

Femi Oluwole: It’s time for an apology from all the people who dismissed us as ‘Remoaners’

We are starting to see British businesses crumble as a result of Brexit. Now I want an apology from Piers Morgan, from Nick Ferrari, from Julia Hartley-Brewer, from Andrew Pierce and from every journalist and politician who called people “Remoaners” for questioning Brexit over the past four years.

For it was they who made a joke out of the suffering people are now experiencing. Boris Johnson and Grant Shapps even shared a giggle when asked about the deal in December.

I don’t want them to apologise to me. Brexit was never going to hurt me. During the four years I campaigned to stop it, I was never speaking for myself. I was speaking for people who did not have a platform like mine. The fisheries workers who drove their lorries to Westminster because Brexit red tape was crippling their exports; the small businesses which simply cannot afford the extra bureaucracy and tariffs; the people in Northern Ireland seeing scarily familiar tensions bubble to the surface.

These people did not have hundreds of thousands of social media followers. They didn’t have radio stations, TV panel shows, or columns in national newspapers. Their views could only be amplified through other people’s voices.

And how did Brexiteer journalists and politicians respond to those voices? They called us “Remoaners”, “Remainiacs” and “sore losers”. They spent four years using their platforms to ridicule and degrade us as we desperately advocated against the suffering that ordinary people are starting to experience right now. When Morgan and Hartley-Brewer were making fun of me, they were really making fun of them.

I’m talking about Tim Heard, who had been catching shellfish for 50 years but whose income has completely stopped since January. On Saturday, I used my voice on his behalf when speaking to former Brexit Party MEP Alex Phillips on Talk Radio. I relayed Heard’s words: “There are people here that have turned to drink because of the strength of this.” Not only did the presenter try to make a joke about it, but Phillips was grinning from ear to ear. So even with the damage now ruining people’s lives, the politicians who told us Brexit would save the fishing industry still think it’s all a game.

The Road Haulage Association noted a 68 per cent drop in exports to the EU since January, and it’s mainly small businesses struggling with the extra costs. So I’d love it if Piers Morgan would apologise to Danny Hodgson for telling me “all Remoaners are demented” in 2019. Danny founded Rivet & Hide, a men’s retailer, and his sales have almost halved since January.

Or maybe Julia Hartley-Brewer could apologise to Emily Blendell (Bluebella, lingerie company) or Richard Staite (Shiner, sporting goods). Hartley-Brewer called Labour MEP Tulip Siddiq an “insane Remoaner” for delaying her C-section to attend a Brexit vote. Siddiq did so to make sure Richard and Emily wouldn’t have to move part of their business across the Channel.

But I doubt we’ll hear any apology from Boris Johnson, Dominic Raab, Michael Gove, or David Davis, all of whom promised Brexit wouldn’t create any barriers to EU trade and accused those suggesting otherwise of promoting “Project Fear”.

As for Northern Ireland, former Labour MP Kate Hoey accused Labour peer Peter Hain of “scaremongering” for suggesting Brexit would threaten peace. Since January, she has been warning about sectarian violence as a result of Brexit. It would be nice if she could apologise to the people of Northern Ireland.

These politicians and journalists watched millions scream in panic for four years, terrified about the damage we’re only now starting to see. But they went out of their way to insult them on a daily basis.

These big Brexiteers will never show regret, but is a little compassion too much to ask for? They know the majority voted for parties committed to avoiding this in 2019 and they can see businesses and lives being ruined. But I haven’t heard a single sorry – so I’m demanding one now.

WhatdoImean · 03/03/2021 16:08

@DGR

How I wish there was an upvote option!

Bee0808 · 03/03/2021 16:15

Absolutely!

Clavinova · 03/03/2021 16:25

From the Guardian link;
Why can't I get a refund after returning a £500 KitchenAid mixer?
It seems to be stuck at Heathrow and the company is blaming Brexit.

Brexit is, indeed, to blame - compounded by...

Easy for KitchenAid to blame Brexit - 75% of recent reviews on Trustpilot are "Bad" -- many refund complaints pre-date Brexit:

6 Jan 2021
Shocking customer service, 4 weeks and still waiting for a refund from an order that was cancelled.
We have received confirmation regarding the refund, but still no funds have reached my account.
When I chased these outstanding funds today, I was told by the accounts department, 'This is the way it is!' before he hung up on me. Not what I would call customer service.

20 Dec 2020
Kitchenaid you need to change!
Been waiting weeks for my refund for the k400 blender...being fobbed off by Customer service on a number of occasions. I’m now forced to raise a dispute with my credit card company.

Bee0808 · 03/03/2021 16:31

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ListeningQuietly · 03/03/2021 16:32

I have spent the day in the land of Chris Chope.
I need to read up on the budget.
BUT
These threads are meant to be about the impact of Brexit on the UK

So please could all the random shit about other countries that has nothing to do with it bugger off to the threads on those topics

Thank You.

Cuesday · 03/03/2021 16:36

The Scottish government - SNP supported by Labour and Greens - is refusing to make amendments to the frankly terrifying Hate Crime Bill:
"The Scottish Police Federation stated the bill could ‘devastate’ the relationship between the police and the public. The Scottish Newspaper Society said it ‘poses a serious threat to freedom of expression’ and the Faculty of Advocates warned that the Bill’s flaws mean there is ‘no alternative but to reconsider the draft bill.’ "
But it's what we're getting, apparently. It literally covers police powers to search homes for incendiary books. It literally includes provisions for prosecuting actors for what the character they play says on stage. People can be imprisoned for up to 7 years. The police have said that they will be forced to police thought crime.

Jason118 · 03/03/2021 16:36

Seems we don't much like our Brexit deal

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-change-uk-eu-latest-b1811909.html

DGRossetti · 03/03/2021 16:52

[quote Jason118]Seems we don't much like our Brexit deal

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-change-uk-eu-latest-b1811909.html[/quote]
Seems Kenyas wary over-suspicious approach was justified then.

Clavinova · 03/03/2021 16:53

DGRossetti
I’m talking about Tim Heard, who had been catching shellfish for 50 years but whose income has completely stopped since January.

I can't speak for Tim Heard but he is mentioned in connection with
the Sailors Creek Shellfish company - link from your link;

The Sailors Creek Shellfish company in Falmouth, Cornwall, has seen 99% of its business disappear.
It buys shellfish from a group of independent fishermen known as the Oystermen of the Fal, who for hundreds of years have used just wind and oar to dredge the riverbed for oysters and scallops.
Their shellfish are supplied to restaurants across Europe.
Tim Heard, 65, has been catching oysters for 50 years - and has seen his income completely stop. ...

Clearly business has improved:

19 Feb 2021
Lots of prepping going on at Sailors Creek Shellfish HQ today ready for the market tomorrow @ foodbarn.tregew
Plenty of mussels, oysters, queen scallops and hot AND cold smoked salmon.
Looking forward to seeing you there!

22 February 2021
First oyster exports since Brexit save historic Fal Fishery from doom.

With the help of Cornwall Council and Falmouth Port Health Authority, Falcatch had its depuration tanks approved for cleaning scallops and oysters. As a result, it made its first export on February 10, followed by another on February 12 and a substantial export similar to pre-Brexit levels on Thursday, February 18.

www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/first-oyster-exports-brexit-save-5025070

Clavinova · 03/03/2021 16:56

God I hate the sound of Sunak's voice

I think he has a fantastic speaking voice - Starmer on the other hand sounds nasally and dull.

Peregrina · 03/03/2021 17:00

Clearly business has improved:

Not without some substantial investment. Not that this is bad, but it doesn't sound like an easy bonus of Brexit.

Clavinova · 03/03/2021 17:05

Not without some substantial investment.

Possibly with a Covid grant though - I watched one of the Fishing Life programmes the other day - one of the crab fishermen had used a Covid crisis grant to install his own processing room in an outbuilding.

ListeningQuietly · 03/03/2021 17:10

The UK has altered the deal with the EU
oh except the EU has still not ratified the original
and what makes anybody think they will now

the UK is extending the period over which it is breaking WTO rules
which the WTO might not like

WOW we really are a world leader at non compliance

LostToucan · 03/03/2021 17:22

With the help of Cornwall Council and Falmouth Port Health Authority, Falcatch had its depuration tanks approved for cleaning scallops and oysters. As a result, it made its first export on February 10, followed by another on February 12 and a substantial export similar to pre-Brexit levels on Thursday, February 18.

Oh, is that same Falcatch just fined for applying other companies’ food safety labels to its products?

www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/cornish-shellfish-company-fined-using-5032018

Wonder why their Twitter account is locked 🤔

DGRossetti · 03/03/2021 17:26

Anyone else noticed a developing theme in Brexiteer whining ? Generally along the lines of "Why can't we ?" as a response to any problems that are being reported.

It really does tell you how dim some were.

Peregrina · 03/03/2021 17:28

^the UK is extending the period over which it is breaking WTO rules
which the WTO might not like^

What realistically is the sanction though?