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Westministers : Saving the Union

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RedToothBrush · 16/02/2021 23:26

Apparently we need a tunnel. Just like we needed the £53 million failed Garden Bridge.

Nice little earner for anyone involved.

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DGRossetti · 03/03/2021 10:12

I've already suggested Liz Truss for a lunar trade deal.

Imagain an environment so hostile to human life. No atmosphere. No gravity. And leaving that to go to the moon ?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-56261574

Japanese billionaire seeks eight people to fly to moon

Japanese billionaire Yusaku Maezawa has invited eight members of the public to join him for a trip around the moon on Elon Musk's SpaceX flight.

"I want people from all kinds of backgrounds to join," he said in a video via Twitter, where he also shared a link to application details.

He said he will pay for the entire journey, so those who come onboard will fly for free.

FrankieStein402 · 03/03/2021 10:19

But then you’d probably know that if you’ve ever had to jump through all the hoops to apply for a work visa.

and even then still get the occasional laconic 'could your work be done by an American?' at US passport control. :)

Clavinova · 03/03/2021 10:36

Peregrina
Except that no one has

TatianaBis quite clearly called me a racist with the Kamala Harris clip late on Monday evening - two hours after I had left the thread. Other posters have since joined in, including you. But I am not easily intimated.

mathanxiety
( But what you're saying now, is that if Kamala Harris becomes US President one day she would only facilitate comprehensive immigration into the US for UK citizens as part of a trade deal that benefits her own country as well. Very disappointing. )

@ Clavinova
What you're suggesting is that Kamala Harris is Indian/Jamaican first and American second.

I don't know how you managed that conclusion - her own country being the United States of America, of which she is [maybe one day] President. Or are you just agreeing that a skills/talent based immigration policy is a sensible course of action?

DGRossetti · 03/03/2021 10:42

The US has no need for any freedom of movement with the UK. Never has. Never will.

Peregrina · 03/03/2021 10:48

No one to my knowledge has called Clavinova racist, nor did it include me. I did think though "if the cap fits...."

No one mentioned Kamala Harris or the word racist at all on Monday that I can see. Remainers were told sarcastically that they were non-racist. This would be hard to prove, except that the racists were more likely to be influenced by Farage and have voted Leave.

Bee0808 · 03/03/2021 11:52

Sigh.
(Unfounded) accusations of racism are a really good way to get threads deleted.
Just stop engaging.
Stop playing into 🐿 hands.

TatianaBis · 03/03/2021 12:02

Tolerance of obnoxious views on BAME immigrants for fear of deletion is dishonorable imo.

Bee0808 · 03/03/2021 12:04

Perhaps so, but getting the thread deleted would be a victory too

Bee0808 · 03/03/2021 12:05

I have no opinion on NS. I don't know enough about the situation.
It seems a mess though and Alex salmond is a total sleeze.

Bee0808 · 03/03/2021 12:06

@TatianaBis

Tolerance of obnoxious views on BAME immigrants for fear of deletion is dishonorable imo.
Then report the posts
TatianaBis · 03/03/2021 12:07

Threads and Pyrrhic victories are not the most important thing here.

As an aside, what would that say about MOD policies.

DGRossetti · 03/03/2021 12:07

@Bee0808

I have no opinion on NS. I don't know enough about the situation. It seems a mess though and Alex salmond is a total sleeze.
The fact it's the lead story on the BBC on budget day tells you all you need to know about what you are supposed to think.
Peregrina · 03/03/2021 12:10

DGR - exactly what I thought - the Tories are rattled about the idea of Scottish Independence and hence the personal attacks. Meanwhile obnoxious Tory behaviour is brushed under the carpet.

TatianaBis · 03/03/2021 12:11

Then report the posts

You can post how you like, I’d appreciate if if you don’t tell me how to post. I’m not convinced they would reach the bar for deletion.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 03/03/2021 12:12

Calls for Sturgeon to resign, yeah they can fuck right off with that nonsense with the current shower of shite in Westminster

Bee0808 · 03/03/2021 12:13

tatania I am not telling you how to post.
I agree with you....
But some posters are very good at staying just below that line re: deletion.
But reporting posts is something one can do if one sees something offensive?
Just pointing that out.

Bee0808 · 03/03/2021 12:16

Anyway, I'm sure us debating this is making some oaters gleeful so I shall stop :)
dgr yeah. Furlough for another 7 months...they are terrified of the unemployment figures. Also will cover that rather tricky period after June eh?

Bee0808 · 03/03/2021 12:17

Posters not oasters ☺

DGRossetti · 03/03/2021 12:17

@JustAnotherPoster00

Calls for Sturgeon to resign, yeah they can fuck right off with that nonsense with the current shower of shite in Westminster
In a way it's a total waste of resources. Not only will 80% of the audience have no agency in the matter, it is really going to grate on the remaining 20%. However it does crowd out any other news. Which is a damn good sign that if we all go digging we'd find plenty around.
TatianaBis · 03/03/2021 12:18

But reporting posts is something one can do if one sees something offensive?
Just pointing that out.

Handy, anyway back to the thread.

Bee0808 · 03/03/2021 12:20

NS is not coming across well today

TatianaBis · 03/03/2021 12:25

I think she's made her points very clear: [from the Guardian report above]

Commencing her evidence session under oath on Wednesday morning, Sturgeon accepted her government had made a “very serious mistake” in appointing as the investigating officer into the allegations a senior official who had previously met and briefed the two complainers.

She said her government had “tried to do the right thing”, and that it was an “absurd suggestion that anyone acted with malice or as part of a plot against Alex Salmond”. She told MSPs: “As first minister, I refused to follow the age-old pattern of allowing a powerful man to use his status and connection to get what he wants.”

Sturgeon also told the inquiry that while his acquittal on 13 sexual assault charges in March 2020 was “beyond question”, she knew from her own conversations with Salmond that “his behaviour was not always appropriate”.

She said she had searched his testimony on Friday for “any sign at all that he recognised how difficult this has been for others too. First and foremost for women who believed his behaviour towards them was inappropriate. And yet across six hours of testimony, there was not a single word of regret, reflection or even simple acknowledgement of that. I can only hope that in private the reality might be different.”

She also addressed in her early remarks one of the key charges levelled against her by her former mentor, about when she first learned about the allegations. Salmond, supported by two other witnesses, claimed she was told about them by his former chief of staff Geoff Aberdein in her office on 29 March 2018. Sturgeon had previously told Holyrood and the media she first learned of them from Salmond himself, at their meeting at her home on 2 April.

Sturgeon said that while Aberdein had indicated Salmond wanted to speak to her about a “harassment-type incident”, this was “in general terms”, and what she recalled most from the conversation was how concerned Aberdein had been about Salmond’s wellbeing.

She said the meeting with Salmond at her home on 2 April was when she fully grasped the nature of the allegations. She said Salmond asked her to read a letter he had been sent by the head of the civil service, Leslie Evans, which detailed the accusations.

“Reading that letter is a moment in my life I will never forget,” she told the committee. She said Salmond went on the tell her his version of what happened with one of the complainers: “What he described constituted in my view was deeply inappropriate on his part.”

However, she also said had she been fully informed of the allegation at the 29 March meeting, her actions would not necessarily have been different.

She said: “Given what I was told about the distress Alex was in, and how it was suggested to me that he might be intending to handle matters, it is likely that I would have still agreed to meet him – as his friend and as his party leader.”

She added: “My decision not to record the meeting on 2 April immediately wasn’t about the classification I gave it, not about it being a party rather than a government meeting, it was because I did not want to compromise the independence of the confidentiality of the process under way.”

Sturgeon also denied the new sexual harassment policy was “bespoke” and designed to apply to Alex Salmond because it was drafted to include complaints about former ministers: “To see it in that way really ignores what was happening globally [with the #MeToo movement].”

In her opening statement, Sturgeon also told the committee she did not intervene in the process of the Scottish government’s investigation into harassment complaints against Salmond as doing so would have been an “abuse” of her role.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 03/03/2021 12:28

However it does crowd out any other news. Which is a damn good sign that if we all go digging we'd find plenty around.

That is definitely a fair point DG

DGRossetti · 03/03/2021 12:31

@JustAnotherPoster00

However it does crowd out any other news. Which is a damn good sign that if we all go digging we'd find plenty around.

That is definitely a fair point DG

www.theguardian.com/money/2021/mar/03/why-cant-i-get-a-refund-after-returning-a-500-kitchenaid-mixer